FT- What do you mean you have found you cannot go slow on these forms?
fubokuen
i know what you are thinking! but, of course you can go slow and meditate with it. what im saying that when the starts it flows so well that it can seem to get faster and faster, like a snow ball builds. all forms like jik bo ,chong bo can be done slow and build ging and postures.
high level are done no tension as such called yau kung, soft power.
are your bak fu forms like this?
always good to here from you!
peace
fubokuen
your flying phoenix meditations sound interesting, how many forms, meditations are there, are there fighting forms as well?
later
Yes we have soft speed forms, but the tough part is slow and smoothe. Actually soft and fast is pretty tough too!hahaha sigh I hope I live long enough.
The Taoist Fei Fung Sunn Gung(Flying Phoenix Heavenly healing meditations) is a really amazing set of chi gung given to monk Fung Do Duk by the Goddess of Heaven no less. The mandate from heaven was to teach to good people to heal the World, so they CAN be acquired separate from BFP training etc. flying phoenix legend
As far as numbers and amounts I don’t know. Only 3 levels have manifest. The first 2 had standing, seated, I have only seen moving from lvl 3. Supposedly, you move on to the next higher/stronger lvl and either teach or forget the old material and you do not have to start at the beginning. These meditations are great. They have a wonderful flow and can be felt immediately. With serious practice…who knows? 
fubokuen
thankz for the info!
would you say flying phoenix would be the core of chi kung to bak fu or do you use other chi kung in bak fu.
peace
FT- The Fei Fung Sunn is a standalone set of chigung for general to ultimate health. It is not part of the BFP gung fu curriculum per se, although hopefully everyone practices what they have of this material.
fubokuen
would you say that it’s a more powerful chi kung to your other types in bak fu.
peace 
From what I know of Bak Fu Pai I think the flying phoenix meds focus more on the health aspect of chi gung. However, like all chi gung, a gung fu practitioner can extract the different applications of technique. The fei fung meds are more chin na oriented with techniques. During the meditations, the wrists are constantly changing and this shows a definite chin na focus.
Fierce tiger, do you practice any iron shirt chi gung with the Pak Mei that you study? I would like to talk about Pak Mei with you. E-mail me at FuMei05@excite.com /if you want to talk about Pak Mei.
Fubokuen, you seem to be very knowledgeable about Bak Fu Pai, Pak Fu Pai. Are you an instructor? I was just wondering if you study Bak Fu Pai or Hong Lin Pai. The reason that I ask is because the link that you gave above goes to joel rizzo’s gwoon. So do you study Bak Fu Pai or that red lotus. If you do study Bak Fu Pai then do you study with the grandmaster. I am very curious about Bak Fu Pai but all the inner turmoil because of past students seems to be out of hand. Give me an e-mail at FuMei05@excite.com
F 
So FuMei, what do you know about the Fei Fung Sunn Gung?
Yes I’m under the GM and I teach a little.
People have a tendency to get out of hand before they are X’d and then, of course, there’s nowhere to go but into business.
You’ll have to ask Rizzo about the Red Lotus stuff, nobody else knows a thing.
fubokuen and fu mei here is my email address
fu mei i sent you a email- you can get me on
peace
Just saw the latest issue of KungFu/Qigong…
Normally I pass on the Pak Mei/Lung Ying articles, but w/these topics popping up everywhere on this forum…I decided to skim thru the article. Nothing illuminating, but I thought it was interesting that someone finally put a couple of form listing:
For Dragon Style…
- Lung Ying Kuen (Chut Dai You Lo)
- Sup Luk Dong
- Sam Yong
- Ying Jow
- Lung Ying Mo Kiu
- Um Ma Gwai Chou
- Jow Um Ying
- Wong Lung Chun Sam Gwan
For Bak Mei…
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Bak Mei Kuen (Sup Yi Tou Lo)
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Sup Gee Kuen
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Dan Fut
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Gow Boy Toy
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Chut Dim Muy Fah
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Fu Bow
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Jui Sam Sing
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Diu Jeung
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Um Jow Gum Lung
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Sup Bat Fung Junh
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Seung Tao Chai Mei Gwan
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Seung Chut Sao
Interesting for achieve purposes. Are these fairly complete?
Incomplete
There are weapons forms in there but not all. There are many Hand Forms (Essential Ones) missing..Eg.Poison snake forms of Lung Ying Missing, Meng Fu forms of Bak Mei Missing and more …
thats the media
Regards
[This message was edited by ShaolinMaster on 11-06-00 at 01:01 AM.]
shaolin master
aer you a bak mei qualified sifu, under hongkong or china. who has given you your tittle, is your sifu a bak mei sifu or did you just learn some forms?
interested!!! 
Sheng Huo - Life 
From China lineages Ermei/Fujian
I outlined details previously I think (BM of HK etc …more repetition and Forms…different but same)
Enjoy life
Shi Chan Long
Looking for a school
Greetings.
I currently study Kung Fu in NYC. However, after reading the article in last months Kung Fu/Qi Gong, I became extremely interested in cross-training in Pak Mei. I did find 1 school that teaches this art (on Fulton St., Manhattan). I was just wondering if anyone here could recommend any schools in the lower Manhattan area to me. ? ? ?
I know there has to be more than one school in NYC.
Any info would be appreciated.undefinedundefined
as far as i know the pak mei is only on fulton in nyc…any others should be questioned thoroughly for authenticity…
Thanks
Thanks for the input. I was gonna go check that school out anyway. The info on the website describes it as a pretty solid organization. I just wish class was offered more than 2x’s a week.