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If you really had no control, when you ate, you would slam the fork though your throat.

ROFLMAO!!

I brought up cops because about three weeks ago I was at a function where a player was a police officer and 1st dan in Kempo, the guy had almost zero control, and had a hard time understanding why some of his training partners were getting injured.

He kept roughly grabbing the face of a player in a head control/clinching drill who had a inner cut lip from sparring and it kept opening up more and more…guy was so wrapped in his own head he didn’t notice nor care, kept using one of two lines, oh its no big deal or sorry I lost a little control.

Let me not even bring up the bonafide retarded chick a long time ago in silat when we used real blades in practice whose sides were wrapped in tape, this nutter ended up giving one person a small tip rip and almost gutted myself.

It was like if the stab is supposed to be a number 5 lunge, it would never be a number 5, but some superman alternate world number 3…only one of three times I ever had to talk to an instructor and say wtf!

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what is amazing is how we have tolerance for these people, and at the stake of our own personal safety. (But thead voice:“uhh..we’re stupid. uh-huh-huh”)

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At my old kwoon, we use to match up begginers with advanced students. We would always tell them about control etc. We also tell them that we would hit as hard as they would. I can remember 2-3 beginner getting knock the f… out. Most would realize what hard contact was as a minute or two.

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This is prob going to get Becca knocking at my door with a shotgun and a can or gasoline but some of the worst cases of control that I have ever come across besides the macho action figure people were women.

I don’t know if its been my bad luck but some of the worst injuries I have ever seen came from the much hotter and often times brighter sex pushing past there own limits to prove something or just being way to spastic.

This includes someone’s gums getting raked…ouch…with long nails in a very simple drill…someone getting his ankle split open with a heavy stick in a two man drill…a guy getting a finger broken during a simple joint lock transition drill…list could go on.

I feel like an a$$ now.:rolleyes:

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yea, control is a big issue with me. my students are getting pretty good at going at a set pace and starting to get better at going fast but not hard. the goal is to get to a point where we can go fast and hard but control shots to the head and joints.

i was having fun, and being a little stupid, and the guy was mostly just hitting me in the leg (except for the one head shot which was beautifully timed on his part and stupidly not recognized by moi :smiley: ) so I let him go. I talked with him after and told him we usually didn’t try to hit that hard most of the time and we’d be working on toning it down next time.

i’ve seen a few people who seemed to have a disconnect of sorts and didn’t get that they were doing things to hard (and I agree, a greater portion were women and no woman takes my class for long unless she cuts her nails at least reasonably short - same rule for guys ) but mostly it’s been attitude fueling the gung-h0-till-it-breaks attitude.

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the “im sorry” and lack of control gig is true.

many people let their egos take over and the whole “look at me” thing kicks in.

Many people want to have others come up to them and tell them they are the cats pyjamas, or they want others to fear them or whatever.

I don’t have time for it. If someone doesn’t have control in an agreed upon scenario and I take a shot that wasn’t agreed upon then they shall suffer the same. I don’t need an “Im sorry”. I’ll give you back what you sent over instead.

No point in talking sense to someone who doesn’t have any. Better to smack em. lesson gets learned quicker and rarely needs repeating unlike the stream of words we keep putting out onto deaf ears.

seriously, do NOT spare the rod when it goes wrong. escalate until he wants to negotiate, then bring it back round to step one.

Many people unfortunately need that lesson. It’s a sad commentary on what a pack of retards Ma-ists can be. lol

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I will take one free sorry as long as its nothing I deem to be intentional but anything after that begs the age old question of…wtf?

Then its time to go harder intell they get the drift.

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In the dojo when working out with people with bad control I find those silly pain compliance techniques handy. It let’s the guy know in a way that he’s probably not used to that you’re tired of his crap without escalating things into a fight. And it’s fun watching their leg twitch when you hit a nerve juuuust right.

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I agree with David. It escalates to the level of your opponent. If you are the senior, you are the one giving the lesson, controlling the dynamic. If they want to exercise technique and control, accommodate. If they want to try their stuff to the limit, accommodate. You can’t try to hurt someone without the fear of being hurt yourself.

Young guys come in guns blazing have to pay the toll. It only happens once.

For the older guys, you have to set the rules from the start. Once you get puffed, you lose the advantage.

Also, give credit where credit is due. I like it when one of the boys can get the better of me. Shows somebody learning their chops.

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[QUOTE=Yum Cha;775600]
Also, give credit where credit is due. I like it when one of the boys can get the better of me. Shows somebody learning their chops.[/QUOTE]

yep, it’s especially fun as a teacher to have something you taught come back at ya.

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[QUOTE=Black Jack II;775043]
Not saying this about you at all Oso, everyone gets nailed in sparring no matter what rank or experiance, anyone that says different is full of sh!t.[/QUOTE]

I never get hit because when I took shaolin-do I learned to focus my chi to one point on my body and make a small explosion that stopped the blow, then run away on my massive pectorals.

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ok, so it’s like 3 weeks later and this **** foot still hurts.

here are some pics of it the night of the damage.

it’s my right foot that got hurt

i’m not sure if a bone got cracked or just some serious soft tissue tearing.

had to move the weekend after and changed jobs and had a seminar to go to so I have of course not taken any time off of it…i know, stupid …

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[QUOTE=Oso;781290]ok, so it’s like 3 weeks later and this **** foot still hurts.

here are some pics of it the night of the damage.

it’s my right foot that got hurt

i’m not sure if a bone got cracked or just some serious soft tissue tearing.

had to move the weekend after and changed jobs and had a seminar to go to so I have of course not taken any time off of it…i know, stupid …[/QUOTE]

It looks pretty “deep” and “set up”.
What kind of Jow are you using?
Do you have access to Dit Dah Wan?
If so, the “drill” now is to take a few of the Wan use the Jow and RE-injure it.
You should be getting “color” up to the surface as the injury dissolves/dissipates.
Continue the Wan and deep-massage the Jow until healed.

This routine can actually get rid of bone-spurs in knee joints…

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well, there is probably two injuries to see…about 6 months ago I went to side kick and the guy brought his shin up and blocked it…since then I’ve had a knot on the side of my pinkie metatarsal…I can’t really see it in the pics but you can feel it on the side of my foot.

[edit]

I jowed the above but didn’t rest it.

I have a bruise jow purchased from Shifu Mike Biggie of Akron
I’ve several decantings and drew off some from the main jug to use on this that has been fermenting for 23 months.

after the recent incident:

[/edit]

I jowed it and then at the insistance of my girl, soaked it in some ice water (the pics are right after about 10 minutes of cold water) I didn’t really want to do that but she made me

I jowed it 2-3 times a day till the color came and went over about 5 days.

I’m sure I should have taken at least 3-5 days off of it but couldn’t.

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[QUOTE=Oso;781307]well, there is probably two injuries to see…about 6 months ago I went to side kick and the guy brought his shin up and blocked it…since then I’ve had a knot on the side of my pinkie metatarsal…I can’t really see it in the pics but you can feel it on the side of my foot.

I jowed the above but didn’t rest it.

I have a bruise jow purchased from Shifu Mike Biggie of Akron
I’ve several decantings and drew off some from the main jug to use on this that has been fermenting for 23 months.

after the recent incident:

I jowed it and then at the insistance of my girl, soaked it in some ice water (the pics are right after about 10 minutes of cold water) I didn’t really want to do that but she made me

I jowed it 2-3 times a day till the color came and went over about 5 days.

I’m sure I should have taken at least 3-5 days off of it but couldn’t.[/QUOTE]

If that swelling is “soft-ish” the bruise jow will work ok eventually.
If it’s “harder”, check with Mike or Dale Dugas to see if they have any “bone jow”.

Your GF was right at the time to stop additional swelling,although the Jow alone would have done “about as well”.
Now you can start warming the jow before putting it on and major injuries can be treated (if you have enough jow & proper pans) by WARMING the jow and immersing the injured limb in it. Re immersion, good jow, when heated, BURNS!
(sensation)(not-so-strangely only at the injury site).
DON’T heat it over about 110 or whatever you can stand with relative ease.

The Dit Dah Wan are pills/capsules so that you’re treating the injury from inside and outside simultaneously.

If no one has individual pills/caps, you can get the 5-Photo gigonda-pill in the metal tin, chop it up and dissolve it in your favorite booze.
Take a couple teaspoons of the solution maybe 20-30 minutes before each treatment with Jow.
If you can get the pills/caps, take them 45 minutes or so before treatment with Jow.

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[QUOTE=Black Jack II;775455]This is prob going to get Becca knocking at my door with a shotgun and a can or gasoline but some of the worst cases of control that I have ever come across besides the macho action figure people were women.

I don’t know if its been my bad luck but some of the worst injuries I have ever seen came from the much hotter and often times brighter sex pushing past there own limits to prove something or just being way to spastic.

This includes someone’s gums getting raked…ouch…with long nails in a very simple drill…someone getting his ankle split open with a heavy stick in a two man drill…a guy getting a finger broken during a simple joint lock transition drill…list could go on.

I feel like an a$$ now.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

  Don`t! I`ve had the same kinds of experiences in lots of classes. It reached the point where I could hardly get assistants to come to a womens`self defnse class we had at the university. I don`t have any proof, but my own theory is that they don`t have alot of confidence in themselves ("Oh little old me? I could never hurt someone so much bigger, I`m just not strong enough") or else they lack familiarity with the technique. So they crank on it "just to see if it REALLY works".

  Most guys in martial arts classes have done some other kinds of sports aswell and come in knowing thier own strength. So they have some confidence in thier ability if they canjust learn it correctly. They`ll take your word for it when you say "Be careful this hurts like a muther" or mention that the risk for injury is high.
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[QUOTE=bakxierboxer;781316]If that swelling is “soft-ish” the bruise jow will work ok eventually.
If it’s “harder”, check with Mike or Dale Dugas to see if they have any “bone jow”.

It was softish and has stayed that way. The older injury got hard almost immediately though I massaged it with the jow.

Your GF was right at the time to stop additional swelling,although the Jow alone would have done “about as well”.

yea, I’ve reduced swelling with massage and jow before. mostly, I’m just a wuss when it comes to ice cold water. :smiley:

Now you can start warming the jow before putting it on and major injuries can be treated (if you have enough jow & proper pans) by WARMING the jow and immersing the injured limb in it. Re immersion, good jow, when heated, BURNS!
(sensation)(not-so-strangely only at the injury site).
DON’T heat it over about 110 or whatever you can stand with relative ease.

The Dit Dah Wan are pills/capsules so that you’re treating the injury from inside and outside simultaneously.

If no one has individual pills/caps, you can get the 5-Photo gigonda-pill in the metal tin, chop it up and dissolve it in your favorite booze.
Take a couple teaspoons of the solution maybe 20-30 minutes before each treatment with Jow.
If you can get the pills/caps, take them 45 minutes or so before treatment with Jow.[/QUOTE]

thanks. i think the psuedo asian grocery next door has those pills. don’t they have arnica in them?

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Looks like that’s not gonna buff right out. :stuck_out_tongue:

Have you gone to the Dr.?

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Doctor??? We don’t need no steenkin doctor!!!

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keep in mind, most of the bones in your body are tiny, and they are within your hands and feet. Tissue damage in those areas takes time and patience to heal and quite often will never return to exactly how it was especially if there is any fracturing.

Because when fractures occur, the result is calcification to the healing area and that occurs in the shape of the wound unless it is thoroughly set, in which case the bone will take the shape of the set wound and still have some deformation in the bone.

so, when it’s tiny ones in your feet, it takes a while.

also, if you continue to put hard contact on the foot and spend a lot of time on yoru feet, it exacerbates the problem and draws out the healing timeline further even with medicines.

you get an x-ray?