i couldnt watch it all can you ?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VIjanhKqVC4
I betcha alec baldwin eats meat.
Man, that reminds me of my old meat packing days in Chicago. Glad I’m not doing that anymore!
theres actually worse videos out there. i think the absolute worst one ive seen is of this asian fur factory where they would skin racoons and such alive. they just beat it in the head until it couldnt fight and then skinned them while they were still completely aware and alert. at one point it zoomed in on one of their little faces after it was skinned and it stirred up just about every negative human emotion one can be capable of.
i used to have a friend that worked at a slaughter house. that sick ****er loved it.
they had a grill on premisis so that you could litterally cut your lunch right off the cow. i never quite understood his enthusiasim for the trade, but god **** he brought home some of the best custs ive ever had.
PETA kills animals. PETA funds terrorists.
PETA is a problem.
shock videos to induce vegetarianism is …well, stupid.
However, although I like the convenience of shopping for ready to cook meat I can appreciate what is done to get it there. I can also appreciate that humans are gonna be humans and you will always find bad ones and some of those bad ones work in abattoirs.
For the most part, animals that we eat as food are killed fairly quickly which amounts to humanely when it comes down to it. This montage does not represent the greater portion in my opinion and is likely a propaganda piece.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;789778]shock videos to induce vegetarianism is …well, stupid.[/QUOTE]
Or you could buy from a butcher?
when it all comes down to it i think its gotta be this
regardless of ppl’s whole humans equal better than animals thing (which i dont buy into)
it comes down to this
killing = wrong
now obv there are cases where killing is a necessity like in defense of yourself
or in order to eat in dire circumstances
but
growing vegetables and such is easier than rearing feeding and subjucating entire species for meat
which makes killing for meat completely unneccessary
and killing for personal reasons e.g. u like the taste is plain evil in my opinion
something gave up its life so u can enjoy yourself
i’m sure by any other definition thats just plain selfish and evil ?
who here thinks killing is right ?
in fact
who thinks killing so u can enjoy yourself is right
who thinks its okay to deprive something of a life even before its killed ?
and i suppose technically as the top species on the food chain we can kill anything we want but still when u think about killing regardless of weither its humans or animals doesnt ur heart sink ? dont u feel anything ?
cos personally i dont want to be apart of anything that makes me feel the way i feel when i watch that video or even when i think about war
the holocaust etc
its called compassion i think
so yeah
thoughts ?
comments ?
in fact i think this goes further than just animals i think its more about the right to life and the freedom to live it
I love meat. I said it. So What? Even though some parts are true, they over dramatasize things! I’m not downin’ veggies, but really! That was abuse! Not a real natural farm!:mad:
animals eat animals… so why can’t we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnEtiDYR6a4
that doesnt look quick and painless.
protein makes me big. aminals contain lots of protein. therefore there are aminals in my tummy.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;789778]shock videos to induce vegetarianism is …well, stupid.
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i think shock was exactly the point and unavoidable due to its very nature. what makes it stupid to bring awareness to animal cruelty on that kind of level?
as much as the radical PETA devotees, and the animals before humans mentality some of them extol annoys me im seriously reconsidering my dietary choices. theres enough human suffering going on to be concerned about, but i can’t help judging that as one of the most disturbing things i ever saw on the web…
[QUOTE=GunnedDownAtrocity;791631]protein makes me big. aminals contain lots of protein. therefore there are aminals in my tummy.[/QUOTE]
how can you be this selfish ?
[QUOTE=fopah;791624]animals eat animals… so why can’t we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnEtiDYR6a4
that doesnt look quick and painless.[/QUOTE]
plenty of reasons
1 a lion doesnt take an entire speciies and lock them up so that they never have a life
nor will their children
it eats because it has to it doesnt have the capacity to farm and to survive it must kill
when u are hungry do you think
“i want to eat” ?
or do you think “i want to tear an animal limb from limb so i can feast on the bloody raw goodiness and feal the adrenaline rush through my veins” as a lion most probably does ?
[QUOTE=Jow_Ga;791621]I love meat. I said it. So What? Even though some parts are true, they over dramatasize things! I’m not downin’ veggies, but really! That was abuse! Not a real natural farm!:mad:[/QUOTE]
its not the point
dont you think killing for your own pleasure is wrong when there are more nutritious cheaper and easier solutions to hunger ?
and actually ive talked to ppl that work at places like these
cows are dehorned without anaesthetic
pigs are castrated and have their tales pulled off without it
most battery chickens live in those conditions
and animals are farmed to such an extent that they are deprived a life even before they are slaughtered
no fields
no grass
no mothers milk
no affection
only a barn locked behind steel restraints eating constantly
for a year or so where there short miserable life comes to an end
the ways in which they r killed varies
and as for ppl who say its humane
well basically who thinks its humane to kill like this ? we have the minds to know that nutrition can be found and consumed in a much more efficient way without anyone getting hurt
we could choose not to do this but we dont because we are selfish
[QUOTE=FuXnDajenariht;791648]i think shock was exactly the point and unavoidable due to its very nature. what makes it stupid to bring awareness to animal cruelty on that kind of level?
as much as the radical PETA devotees, and the animals before humans mentality some of them extol annoys me im seriously reconsidering my dietary choices. theres enough human suffering going on to be concerned about, but i can’t help judging that as one of the most disturbing things i ever saw on the web…[/QUOTE]
first of all the film IS propaganda and is highly selective in what it shows and does not represent the state of production in the meat production industry.
all Im saying is that if you want to be a vegetarian that’s fine, but don’t just expect everyone to jump aboard with that because some blood is spilled on film.
seriously, when has that ever changed anything? I mean at a level of war, we have all seen pictures of kids with half a head or their arms blown off or what have you and we still get behind wars, so don’t expect any changes to occur in the way we eat chickens like they’re going out of style.
That is why I hunt. Venison is high protien,contains no chemicals,steroids,growth hormones, and is lowest in fat because the animal runs wild and free, rather than penned up and force-fed. The meat quality is better,and safer.
Where can I hunt chickens?
[QUOTE=TenTigers;791668]Where can I hunt chickens?[/QUOTE]Safeways? They’re a bit slow…
That Alec Baldwin is one sick puppy, torturing all those animals to make his video. I only watch his movies to be kind to hams and turkeys.
I couldn’t watch all of that video… Youtube is ****ed on Firefox.
But good luck with this one Fred, sincerely. To all of you who reckon that’s not standard, I reckon it pretty much is. The US is worse than the UK in most respects in this industry (ironically given the UK’s record with BSE, salmonella etc, our standards are stricter… but then who understands disease vectors enough to categorically state that BSE hadn’t been incubating in US stock for ages anyway before it came out in the UK?) and at uni and working on a farm I’ve visited enough meat farms to be able to say that although the standards are marginally better than those shown, the margin isn’t usually that big.
It’s up to you. Apart from the cruelty, which is a personal decision and fair enough… what makes my mind boggle is that people would willingly eat sick, diseased animals, plus the dope factors. Don’t eat sh!t would seem like a simple enough bottom line. Lions don’t ( :rolleyes: 
)
Good luck Fred, I’m out of here while the getting’s good…
- No meat for 21 years (though unfortunately do do dairy/eggs now and do try to source them)
You think that’s the standard for abattoirs?
it’s not. Those are selective choices in that film.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;791672]at uni and working on a farm I’ve visited enough meat farms to be able to say that although the standards are marginally better than those shown, the margin isn’t usually that big.
[/quote]I haven’t said that that is the standard.
How many abattoirs/meat farms have you been to David?