does anyone???
at all?
[QUOTE=golden arhat;874537]does anyone???
at all?[/QUOTE]
Hello !!
We’re Martial artists !!
LOL !!
Do you mean to oneself or to others?
Reminds me somewhat of the Golden Rule, which is also faulty. Just because I like to smoke bong hits and go surf 20 foot waves doesn’t mean my neighbor should.
As for self cruelty, we could say we’re cruel to ourselves in our training but it’s worth it for the outcome. I can’t think of a reason to be cruel to another, except in combat. Then you dig the elbow in the face and put your weight on it.
Anyone that watches sport combat supports unnecessary physical cruelty for entertainment.
That, and people that watch reality TV shows.
Those people are even worse actually.
ok let me rephrase
does anyone support unnecessary cruelty for their own gain/ entertainment against parties who are forced into doing it,
namely animals.
[QUOTE=golden arhat;874546]ok let me rephrase
does anyone support unnecessary cruelty for their own gain/ entertainment against parties who are forced into doing it,
namely animals.[/QUOTE]
Define “unnecessary.” I have a feeling that you’d define eating animals as unnecessary thus making this debate a non-starter if we can’t agree about that. See the problem?
[QUOTE=golden arhat;874546]ok let me rephrase
does anyone support unnecessary cruelty for their own gain/ entertainment against parties who are forced into doing it,
namely animals.[/QUOTE]
Putting GAIN and ENTERTAINMENT in the way you did makes it seem the both are equal, they are not.
2 things.
- animal cruelty. there are laws to specify “treatments or care” of animals.
shipping with right temp, not too cold or too hot, food and water if long distance.
but most of them, farm animals are shipped to “slaugter” house, and yet it is important to make sure the shipping conditions are good or comfortable, kind of ironic?
at slaugter house, pigs are stunned with electrical poles, so they are shocked and unconscious of what follows–
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entertainments are entertainments, so people wear head gear and chest protector, so they do get “hurt” by punches or kicks in the head or chest area. gloves of knuckles etc etc. rules such as no elbow, no knees, no hitting below the belt or groins area etc etc.
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use dog, chicken, or crickets to fight, me absolutely against them. ABSOLUTELY NO.
I love to fish, so by that definition, I would say I do (to the question posed) since I often use live bait, and they certainly don’t volunteer themselves onto the hooks.
If I’m ever in the opportune environment, there would also be a real chance that I would bet on a hercules beetle fight.
[QUOTE=SPJ;874561]2 things.
- animal cruelty. there are laws to specify “treatments or care” of animals.
shipping with right temp, not too cold or too hot, food and water if long distance.
but most of them, farm animals are shipped to “slaugter” house, and yet it is important to make sure the shipping conditions are good or comfortable, kind of ironic?
at slaugter house, pigs are stunned with electrical poles, so they are shocked and unconscious of what follows–
[/QUOTE] these are frequently ignored, animals travel for days at a time in cramped conditions with almost no food or water and in the case of chickens they are simply tipped out into the slaughter house all at once, animals suffer broken bones frequently and often arent able to make it off the truck.
- use dog, chicken, or crickets to fight, me absolutely against them. ABSOLUTELY NO.
me too,
a dog or a chicken or a cricket regardless of what it is, it is wrong to make it fight with no choice of its own.
in cage matches etc the contestants are willing.
[QUOTE=Old Noob;874548]Define “unnecessary.” I have a feeling that you’d define eating animals as unnecessary thus making this debate a non-starter if we can’t agree about that. See the problem?[/QUOTE]
whats necessary about eating meat
please tell me
You know…plants are technically alive too. Don’t they have a right to live as well? If you’re going to write off animals because they’re living things, write off plants too.
Veggies are such hippocrites.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;874541]Anyone that watches sport combat supports unnecessary physical cruelty for entertainment.
That, and people that watch reality TV shows.
Those people are even worse actually.[/QUOTE]
Why all the judgments?
Why is combat sport unnecessary physical cruelty? Both participants are eager to do it. Signed up for it willingly. They love it. To them, maybe having to sit and watch two guys play chess is cruel.
What’s necessary? Is training? Is sitting on the computer talking $hit? Is anything?
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;874582]Why all the judgments?
Why is combat sport unnecessary physical cruelty? Both participants are eager to do it. Signed up for it willingly. They love it. To them, maybe having to sit and watch two guys play chess is cruel.
What’s necessary? Is training? Is sitting on the computer talking $hit? Is anything?[/QUOTE]
Dude, don’t sugar coat it, its cruel and we love it !
LOL !
I guess I say I have to do… the whole fishing thing. I eat what I catch, but there is a lot of struggling and released fish.
I’ve thought about it. Understood it. Thought about the way they’re so eager to attack the fly (thinking it is a living being) and decided, “fu(k the fish.” Guess I’ll be thinking about it now again.
Gave up spear fishing. I could literally feel the difference in the fish. No spear… you can swim, not with them, but near them, drift with the current. With the spear, they dart screaming “murderer! murderer!.”
[QUOTE=golden arhat;874571]whats necessary about eating meat
please tell me[/QUOTE]
Protein is an essential part of human diets and, while I am aware of the protein intake methodologies of vegetarians, the make up of our teeth and the position of our eyes in our heads clearly demonstrate that we are, by nature, omnivors. Thus, I view eating meat as a necessity and in tune with my nature. Your choice to take your protein by other means, while inconsistent with our physiological deveopment as a species, is fine. You just shouldn’t judge others for not following along.
BTW, did you answer my question on the other thread re: carnivorous animals? Are they vile oppressors too?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;874583]Dude, don’t sugar coat it, its cruel and we love it !
LOL ![/QUOTE]
I honestly don’t think it’s cruel. And speaking for myself, I don’t go into a fight with anger or hate. I don’t know who I’m fighting. My last fight, the guy was cool. A fellow deadhead. Coach and corner were cool too. We exchanged info to train if/when I’m ever in Pa. He died in a motorcycle crash a month ago. I felt the loss of his friends and family. But obviously the dude was living: fighting, driving bikes like a mad man. God bless.
To me fighting is like chess. I actually feel worse for the guy on the other end of the table because I could be a terror on the board. Black. Two minutes speed chess. I fu(k it up.
And beating you in front of your wife, sister, whoever 10 times in a row and then having to sit across from me at the dinner table as I smile with my big gold hoop nose ring, smiling… sheer cruelty.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;874589]I honestly don’t think it’s cruel. And speaking for myself, I don’t go into a fight with anger or hate. I don’t know who I’m fighting. My last fight, the guy was cool. A fellow deadhead. Coach and corner were cool too. We exchanged info to train if/when I’m ever in Pa. He died in a motorcycle crash a month ago. I felt the loss of his friends and family. But obviously the dude was living: fighting, driving bikes like a mad man. God bless.
To me fighting is like chess. I actually feel worse for the guy on the other end of the table because I could be a terror on the board. Black. Two minutes speed chess. I fu(k it up.
And beating you in front of your wife, sister, whoever 10 times in a row and then having to sit across from me at the dinner table as I smile with my big gold hoop nose ring, smiling… sheer cruelty.[/QUOTE]
I rest my case.
I do not support the inflicting of cruelty against an unconsenting party or a party incapable of giving informed consent for entertainment.
Cruelty with informed consent from all participating parties (eg: mma, fear factor) is another ball of wax altogether. That I am not opposed to although I find fear factor to be distasteful.
whats necessary about eating meat
please tell me
Your so very sad.
If you want I can send you one of the Turkey’s I am going to bag this season.