So retarded.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080716/NEWS07/807160417/1009/PRINT
That is awesome.
But does that mean that soon apes in Europe will have more rights than American citizens?!:eek:
why is that bad?
why should we cage them up?
i know plenty of brain dead people that have more rights than most animals
i dont understand what your problem is with it ?
if i had my way all sentient beings would have the right to a life free from human interference and torture
but lets not turn this into a vegetarian thing
why are you against chimps and apes having more rights?
Dman dirty apes !!!
Im all for it.
Anyone who isnt needs to go visit one of these extremely intelligent creatures. Look into his/her eyes and tell me there is no emotion. No sadness…
You are forgetting that BJ2 has a knee-jerk reaction to oppose any progressive measure out of fear.
[QUOTE=Lucas;873871]Im all for it.
Anyone who isnt needs to go visit one of these extremely intelligent creatures. Look into his/her eyes and tell me there is no emotion. No sadness…[/QUOTE]
That’s how its starts and soon, when we come back from space, they’ll be running place !!
And probably doing a better job too !
lol.
cornelius wont do you wrong man!
[QUOTE=Lucas;873871]Im all for it.
Anyone who isnt needs to go visit one of these extremely intelligent creatures. Look into his/her eyes and tell me there is no emotion. No sadness…[/QUOTE]
or almost any caged creature for that matter
Spain’s legislation would outlaw using great apes in experiments, circuses, TV commercials or films. Apes could be kept in zoos, but conditions would be improved.
“This is a significant step,” said Stumpe, who compares apes to human babies or people who are mentally incapacitated. They have emotions but need caretakers – as apes do, she said.
I’m all for giving the apes some basic inaliable rights, but what’s with the no t.v. or film bit? Are we going to stop allowing children to act? I think those apes that are trained to act might just enjoy having a porpuse to thier lives.
[QUOTE=golden arhat;873895]or almost any caged creature for that matter[/QUOTE]
werd…
it is through rule of law that we change our core behaviours.
this is a positive thing.
perhaps we can eventually rule it into law that we do not exploit other species and create and maintain an agrarian food source with high nutritional value and at the same time keep a lid on our own numbers through carefully planned population control.
Or we can continue to consume our own tail until we are extinct. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;873909]
perhaps we can eventually rule it into law that we do not exploit other species and create and maintain an agrarian food source with high nutritional value and at the same time keep a lid on our own numbers through carefully planned population control.[/QUOTE]
one can always dream:(
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;873909]it is through rule of law that we change our core behaviours.
this is a positive thing.
perhaps we can eventually rule it into law that we do not exploit other species and create and maintain an agrarian food source with high nutritional value and at the same time keep a lid on our own numbers through carefully planned population control.
Or we can continue to consume our own tail until we are extinct. :)[/QUOTE]
Ok there.
Nature tends to take care of species that grow to “big for their britches”,
If by nature, you mean “asteroids from space”, I’m with you. 
[QUOTE=Becca;873898]I’m all for giving the apes some basic inaliable rights, but what’s with the no t.v. or film bit? Are we going to stop allowing children to act? I think those apes that are trained to act might just enjoy having a porpuse to thier lives.[/QUOTE]
The chimpanzees used in film are mostly terribly abused. It’s common to knock most of their teeth out and a standard training tool is to beat the chimp with a pipe wrapped in a newspaper when away from the set. The trainer will bring the rolled up newspaper onto set and threaten the chimp when not behaving.
Furthermore the babies and juveniles used in cinema are usually sold to biomedical testing when they get too big to use effectively in film any further.
Life as a movie chimp is not one of purpose, just one of bondage.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;873917]If by nature, you mean “asteroids from space”, I’m with you. :D[/QUOTE]
I mean really BIG HONKING ASTEROIDS from space.
[QUOTE=SimonM;873920]The chimpanzees used in film are mostly terribly abused. It’s common to knock most of their teeth out and a standard training tool is to beat the chimp with a pipe wrapped in a newspaper when away from the set. The trainer will bring the rolled up newspaper onto set and threaten the chimp when not behaving.
Furthermore the babies and juveniles used in cinema are usually sold to biomedical testing when they get too big to use effectively in film any further.
Life as a movie chimp is not one of purpose, just one of bondage.[/QUOTE]
They should learn kung fu and fight back against their oppressors !!
That’s why the sell the adults to biomedical research. A fully grown chimp WILL fight back…
and chimps can be really strong.
[QUOTE=SimonM;873929]That’s why the sell the adults to biomedical research. A fully grown chimp WILL fight back…
and chimps can be really strong.[/QUOTE]
And very good with the staff I hear.
That and poo flinging.