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                                                                               November 8, 2001

                         Clinton calls terror a U.S. debt to past 

                         By Joseph Curl
                         THE WASHINGTON TIMES


                         Â Â Â Â Â Bill Clinton, the former president, said yesterday that terror has existed in
                         America for hundreds of years and the nation is "paying a price today" for its
                         past of slavery and for looking "the other way when a significant number of
                         native Americans were dispossessed and killed." 
                         Â Â Â Â Â "Here in the United States, we were
                         founded as a nation that practiced slavery,
                         and slaves quite frequently were killed even
                         though they were innocent," s aid Mr.
                         Clinton in a speech to nearly 1,000 students
                         at Georgetown University's ornate Gaston
                         Hall.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "This country once looked the other way
                         when a significant number of native
                         Americans were dispossessed and killed to
                         get their land or their mineral rights or
                         because they were thought of as less than
                         fully human.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "And we are still paying a price today,"
                         said Mr. Clinton, who was invited to address the students by the university's
                         School of Foreign Service.
                         Â Â Â Â Â Mr. Clinton, wearing a gray suit and orange tie, arrived 45 minutes late for
                         the event. Some students camped out overnight to obtain tickets. The former
                         president, a member of the Jesuit university's Class of 1968, opened his
                         50-minute speech by thanking a former teacher.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "He never abandoned me over all these years, even though he did not
                         succeed in convincing me to become a Jesuit," said Mr. Clinton, drawing
                         laughter and then cheers from the almost entirely white crowd of students.
                         Â Â Â Â Â Mr. Clinton spoke from notes about the world after September 11. He
                         sought to dispel fears of terrorism and "this anthrax business."
                         Â Â Â Â Â "I submit to you that we are now in a struggle for the soul of the 21st
                         century and the world in which you students will live to raise your own
                         children and make your own way," he said.
                         Â Â Â Â Â Mr. Clinton said the international terrorism that has only just reached the
                         United States dates back thousands of years.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "In the first Crusade, when the Christian soldiers took Jerusalem, they first
                         burned a synagogue with 300 Jews in it and proceeded to kill every woman
                         and child who was a Muslim on the Temple Mount. I can tell you that story is
                         still being told today in the Middle East and we are still paying for it."
                         Â Â Â Â Â Mr. Clinton said America needs to pay more attention to its enemies and to
                         the way the United States is viewed by the rest of the world.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "There are a lot of people that see the world differently than we do. It is
                         quite important that we do more to build the pool of potential partners in the
                         world and t o shrink the pool of potential terrorists. And that has nothing to do
                         with fighting, but that has to do with what else we do. 
                         Â Â Â Â Â "This is partly a Muslim issue, because there is a war raging wit hin Islam.
                         We need to reach out and engage the Muslim world in a debate."
                         Â Â Â Â Â Mr. Clinton referred to stories in the media about some American citizens
                         cheering the te rrorist attacks and suspected mastermind Osama bin Laden.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "This debate is going on all over America. We've got to stop pretending this
                         isn't out there," he said.
                         Â Â Â Â Â Addressing matters of globalization, Mr. Clinton pondered the importance
                         of such issues as technology, poverty, democracy, diversity, the environment,
                         disease and terrorism.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "Here's how I think you ought to think about it," he said. "We cannot
                         ignore the fact that we have vulnerability at home because of our
                         interdependence."
                         Â Â Â Â Â The answer, Mr. Clinton said, is to spread freedom and democracy, reduce
                         global poverty, forgive billions in debt, improve health care systems and
                         encourage — even fund — educatio n in developing countries.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "We ought to pay for these children to go to school — a lot cheaper than
                         going to war," he said.
                         Â Â Â Â Â Perhaps most important, he said, is democracy.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "It's no accident that most of these terrorists come from non-democratic
                         countries. If you live in a country where you're never required to take
                         responsibility for yourself, where you never even have to ask whether there's
                         something you should be doing to solve your own problems, then people are
                         kept in kind of a permanent state of collect ive immaturity and it becomes quite
                         easy for them to believe that someone else's success is the cause of their
                         distress. 
                         Â Â Â Â Â "We've got to defeat people who think they can find their redemption in our
                         destruction. And then we have to be smart enough to get rid of our arrogant
                         self-righteousness so that we don't claim for ourselves things we deny for
                         others."
                         Â Â Â Â Â The former president, who left office just 10 months ago after an eight-year
                         tenure, said the federal government is "woefully" lacking on several key
                         terrorism-prevention areas.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "We need to strengthen our capacity to chase the money and get it, and we
                         need some legislation on that," said Mr. Clinton, coincidentally on the same
                         day President Bush, who has made freezing terrorist assets a "front" of his war
                         on terrorism, announced the United States has moved to block the assets of 62
                         persons a nd groups associated with two financial networks linked to bin
                         Laden.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "And one area where we are woefully lacking is the simple use of modern
                         computer tech to track people that come into this country," he said.
                         Â Â Â Â Â While he criticized "the governmental capacity" now, he said "we all must
                         support our current government in whatever decision they make."
                         Â Â Â Â Â "This is not a perfect society but it is stumbling in the right direction," he
                         said.
                         Â Â Â Â Â At the end of his speech, Mr. Clinton — who was impeached for lying
                         under oath about a sexual relationship with a 21-year-old White House intern
                         — said the entire issue revolves around "the nature of truth."
                         Â Â Â Â Â "This battle fundament ally is about what you think about the nature of
                         truth," he said, noting that God has imposed on us the inability to ever know
                         "the whole truth."
                         Â Â Â Â Â He also championed women's rights in Afghanistan, saying the reason "you
                         see all those sanctimonious guys beating those women with sticks" is because
                         the country's rulers demand strict adherence to the rules.
                         Â Â Â Â Â Students crowded around to shake the former president's hand after his
                         speech. There were no detractors in the crowd, despite the fact that the
                         university newspaper in September 1998 called on Mr. Clinton, then mired in
                         scandal, to resign.
                         Â Â Â Â Â "The American public," the Hoya said in a 1998 editorial, "has forgotten
                         that international and domestic terrorism requires a proactive defense plan.
                         Terrorists must be caught before they strike, and we must remember that those
                         strikes always come when our head is turned toward other mat ters."

What a Jerk! - Badger

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BJJ is Superior to Mullets!

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Taken in context, Clinton said that the problems between the middle east and the west date back centuries, and that is correct. That the west has many times done dirty work in the middle east is also correct. Nowhere in the speach does he cover for the terrorists, nor does he even infer that we deserved the attacks.

OK, I was going to be rude, but that’s not called for here. I’m just saying that you took the speach out of context. He doesn’t say that we deserved the attack, he said we live in a world we helped create.

Myself, I’m not a big clinton fan. He did a lot of things I didn’t much care for.

But I just read that article, then re-read it, and I still haven’t found the place where he says we deserved the terrorist attacks. He says that we are paying a price for our actions in the past, but he doesn’t mention the price as being the 9/11 bombings.

Badger: the thread title is “Clinton says we deserved terrorist attacks.” Perhaps, in the interests of journalistic integrity (or something), you could edit the title to something more accurate.

It doesn’t say that, but oh well. If Bush had said it, I think it would have been posted with a different spin. Badger’s entitled to his opinion, I just don’t agree with the spin placed on it.

Of course, I probably put a negative spin on some conservative speaches, so I can’t really complain too bad.

Yeah, I think he’s right, especially about America losing it’s soul. They are fighting, at least in their minds for God almighty. Were doing it for a big screen TV.

He badger…why don’t you go back to jacking off to Rush Limbaugh pictures?

KC

Yea I guess sometimes we interpret things different thru our conservative or liberal eyes. It just seemed kind of insensitive like the Jerry Falwell speech thing.

BTW-Thanks for not being rude.I don’t think these type of opinions any of us should take personal.

Badger

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BJJ is Superior to Mullets!G

Well i guess some people took it personal…

Nutn huney-I will no longer respond to until you take your ****** head out of your a$$.

Badger

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BJJ is Superior to Mullets!G

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> There are a lot of people that see the world differently than we do. It is quite important that we do more to build the pool of potential partners in the world and t o shrink the pool of potential terrorists. And that has nothing to do with fighting, but that has to do with what else we do [/quote]

I think this is the most important part of his speech.

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You’re fu(king up my chi

Its cool, Badger. I’m definitely on the liberal side of things, but I think our country would be royally screwed if only one side ran things. But if I had to be screwed, rather it be by liberals. We get more practice. :stuck_out_tongue:

LOL!

BJJ is Superior to Mullets!G

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“It is quite important that we do more to build the pool of potential partners in the world and to shrink the pool of potential terrorists.”

In other words. We shouldn’t punish them. Let’s tame them so we have another source of cheap labor. :mad:

damn right bustr, what else explains the fallling prices at wallmart better than our foreign policy? **** them all, make them our slaves.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with the sane posters on here:

Clinton was merely pointing out that we live in a world that is the legacy of history. That’s the truth.

I would also like to point out that the Washington Times is unabashedly right-wing… and I mean that in a bad way. Journalistic balance, for instance, would not require that Clinton’s impeachment be mentioned when discussing the need for truth in the world. It’s an ad hominem attack: By discrediting Clinton’s character, the journalist is attempting to reduce the validity of his statement, rather than discussing (or reporting) the statement itself. How is that journalism? In addition, the Washington Times is owned by the Reverend Moon, which gives me great pause. During the last presidential election, they made every effort possible to smear McCain. This is a paper with an agenda, and it makes their reporting suspect in my eyes.

The Washington Post and the NY Times are generally classified as “liberal,” papers, but the truth is that they are pretty mainstream. You want to see a REALLY liberal paper with a wide audience, check out the Boston Globe. It makes me wince almost as badly as the Washington Times does!

Clinton Rant (couldnt rant while he was my commander-in-thief)

Clinton is a waste of flesh, some say that his legacy is the pile of rubble sitting where the WTC was. His innaction was a big downfall, countless occations he said he was going to address the growing terrorist problems..USS cole, Kobar towers bombing..etc.(my co-workers stayed their by the way) There are a few other cases, but in each instance action was promised, and like the rest of the garbage CliTon spewed little of it came to light. He let the chinese steal secrets ,he let the russians steel billions, he only did what made his lying sack look better to the US populace.

This quote sums it up-

“What a ridiculous waste! Full of promise, intelligence, and charisma, this man will go down in history alongside Warren Harding and Richard Nixon as the most corrupt presidents of the twentieth century.”
-Bill O’Reilly (fox news)

“Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong”-Dennis Miller
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id like to say…

im very conservative and my dad is too…he was all kinds of pissed saying “he’s sticking up for the terrorists” which nothing ive heard of the speech did. i havent read it all because the parts ive seen sounded more like slick willy picked up a history book and wanted to show off what everyone that pays attention to history knows more so than a speech. Clinton had nothing to say…i think he didnt want to talk about the many offenses against our country by terrorists that slipped by his administration, so he got up there and gave a history lesson instead. And the only underlying point to his BS was that we need to consider other nations more in our policies…which of course he would think cause he’s a major part of the US policing the globe, obviously in places we dont belong.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Badger:
Nutn huney-I will no longer respond to until you take your ****** head out of your a$$.

… I will :smiley:
Nuts and honey, I’m doing a research project on why people enjoy making azz’s of themselves in public forums. Can you give me some data?

Ryu

“One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage.”

I thought it was a very lucid and honest speech…you cannot make such speeches when you’re a president…
But I’m just a french guy :slight_smile:

i am so glad to see some sane discussion on this thread.
i don’t know anything about clintons true nature or motivation but i think that’s a good speech.

the emphasis on not being afraid to look at underlying causes, and looking at what can be done to solve the problem rather than just blowing stuff up is important.(doesn’t mean you can’t blow stuff up too, if necessary)

i’ve been very disappointed with the knee jerk reaction a lot of people display (not necessarily on this forum) of equating “lets look at ourselves and see if we can’t do better” as being the same as saying “we deserved it”

i believe america and every country/government in the world should look at their foreign policy (and every other policy i suppose) and see if it’s “part of the problem”. this seems pretty logical to me if you’re honest about wanting truth and freedom and what’s best for the world, and is NOT the same as saying “we deserve terrorist attacks”

that’s my rant, unpopular as it shall no doubt prove to be.

___________________________________________________________________________ “I’m just trying to lull you into a genuine sense of security!”

It is to laugh. The f*cking right-wing narrow-minded intolerant hate-mongers are still blaming Clinton for all the ills of the world.

Well, everybody’s entitled to their opinion, even if said opinion is as wrong-headed as belief in the validity of the Cardiff Giant. :rolleyes:

A simple solution presents itself: Republicans need to get laid more often. I mean, other than the mutual clusterf*ck they usually find themselves in…

K. Mark Hoover

A simple solution presents itself: Republicans need to get laid more often. I mean, other than the mutual clusterf*ck they
usually find themselves in…
-Budokan

Well I have no problem there & it’s not even with an ugly intern half my age.

:stuck_out_tongue:

Badger

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BJJ is Superior to Mullets!G