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why do some ipman students do the standard front stance character sunfist with a 50/50 base, and some students do the same punch from the same teacher, as seen in james lees wingchun book with bruce lee, where the lead foot steps and the rear drags, at impact the wieght sinks into the backleg creating a whiplashlike effect, wich is charachteristic of some hsingyi styles, spm, etc.
I have read for three years on this, i understand for instance it can be delt in relation to you and your opponent, etc.

Why did yipman teach backleg and leanback, like william cheung made fun of, wich you can see clearly in the yipman wd book by his son.
Then Sifu like WSL, be using a 50/50, i understand its just detials in moments in combat"like that story about ipman doing a tigertail kick to a robbers head, wich is sonot wingchun, but if it works"

Why did he teach from what i get in the same decade, once you learn the stance, then you either learn the pivotand strike or the chianstep and strike" side-and front manuevars-respective"
Why he teach this i am confused, one has toes pointed in the other parrallel.
Also having your wieght backrooted or centered fityfity, is a huge differance in your capable footwork, like if you do the dragstep with wieght on back, to evade with your rear leg is highly uneco- as you would have to do a sprint/hop actiaon with your lead , quickly exchanging wieght, so you could possibly move your rearleg"unless you do some funky pivot", but if you were 50/50 and you had to evade with your rear in the same scenario you would simply lift your rear foot and Go.
However it would seem, there is more punch having one leg fully rooted, as you simulate a bullwhip.

So any of you guy’s good enough :wink: to answer this, i feel stupid as i dont know what im reading, i can understand lineages, but completly different structure from the same instructor in the same decade. what is the deal:confused:

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also for those who do fifty50 in a front stance strike

if you kick, your doing what the backwieghted dudes are upto, but why all the parrallel and pigeontoe, right its all just hidden apps in the form, but like i said, what’s up with Mr.Man

Also if the legends are correct, people who study styles such as hungga, and even kenpo that is suppossedly influenced from the shaolin 5animal, you think they would do good to look into wingchuns stickyhand/leg methods, or at least the science it seems Mr.Man and students have broken it down after the HK rooftop Comps of the 50s/60s, i think for the average practitioner of these styles, it is very usefull reading up on the wingchunclan, as if the legends aare correct, wingchun is simply a oldman or a fragile woman version of hungga fighting technique?!:slight_smile: .

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uh oh

troll :wink:

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ignore

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Diego,

It’s not Mr Man, it’s Mr Yip.

As for the rest of it, nobody really knows. The guy took a lot of stuff with him to the grave and everyone else has their own version of what happened.

The weight distribution does, and has to, constantly change while you are moving.

I think you are overintellectualising everything. The bottom line is to find and develop effective movement patterns that works for you. As Musashi said, the Way is in training, not thinking reading and hanging out on web forums.

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LOL @ SHARKEY & YUAN

Anerlich: whoops on the mrman thing, i was thinking of a rap song by the bushbabies, one dudes name is MR.MAN:D

Anyway, this isnt giving me a hernia, i just dont have any one to trian or spar with, so i like to intellectualize what other styles fight, see if it relate’s or i can pick up some jewels to bank in the back of my head; Me personnaly im using my time on the web to better catalog, chinese martial art, so in ten years when i have a carreer, i will have a good overview on the scene and where i might like to visit:cool: .

It’s to bad, Hawkins Chueng, William Chueng, Wong Shun Lun, and the rest of thier generation and thier seniors, it’s to bad they didnt get together and catalog Mr.Ip’s Teaching.

Agian, this is comic book reading i’m not researching for a doctorate in calculus, and if someone was taught a halfass version, i would like to know where to better spend my money, plus i have just been told, in one lineage of a cousin to my style of hopgar, bakhok has a public version and thier real version, and i’m under the impression, many kungfu schools followed this route, and for some reason YipMan and BruceLees Legacys intrigue me, as it does to millions, so obviously, i would like the Discovery channel version, oppossed to the Disneynetwork!:smiley:

Why do you think the backleg, lean back posture is thier, he does it in the dummy book, and hawkins Cheung & Wong Shun Lung from what i seen use a more basketball-defensive frame, so this isnt even about Mr.Cheungs TWC History,
Agian this interests me like a new movie, nothing more, unless/until i actualy sign up with a WingChun Sifu
Stay Safe

ohyah..lol at yuanfen, think your the emperor, what a geek
“IGNORE” LOL

why?

im a prospective student and how you know i couldnt rock you with my limited streetfighting experience, when i was a teen, how youno…lol
Peace:rolleyes: :slight_smile:

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also this is some historical **** me having the option to question such a diversity

of one style
you know, i wouldnt ask these simple things if i was to goto your school and pay you, as you may treat me as a usedcarsalesman as oppossed to how a professor would, so this is a good thing.

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Dieggo

I think some forum members are fashioning a big voodoo doll in your likeness…is your bum sore yet!!!:smiley:

p.s. I tried to talk them out of it!!!

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Anybody

Does anyone have any more details about this Yip Man Tiger tail kick? I would luv to hear it. This is a first for me. Anyone?

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Roy,

Haven’t heard of it in Yip Man lineage either. We have it in Sum Nung WCK but it supposedly comes not from our Wong Wah-Bo/Fok Bo-Chuen side but from our Dai Fa Min Kam/Fung Siu-Ching influence.

Rgds,

RR

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Hi Roy&Rene

if your referring to that robber story i referenced, i’m sure i read that online, i think maybe in a WongShunLueng article, describing doing what works?.
Hope that helps, i thought it was more of a joke about IpMan’s smart efficiency, but some styles do this?, interesting:cool:

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Thanks Rene, thank you for your informed response. That I knew already, especially from your Complete Wing Chun Book.

Diego, are you able to be more specific?, I would really luv to read that article for myself?..maybe some more clues can lead to the path…Webpath. Thanks:)

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you want specific

hm, :slight_smile: your going to hate me 4this=
goto wingchunkuen.com link section, goto all the big wc sites like planet wingchun, and go through thier articles and links, thats where i found it,:confused:

I’ll try to rack my brian, and remember, but i really think it was either a Augustine fong article or a Wongshunleung students article?.:slight_smile:
thiers alot of wingchun articles online, so?

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Diego,

From what I’ve read Yip Man was fairly relaxed in his training methods. I heard that if a student had difficulty learning a certain technique, but found it easier (more natural) if done another way, he (Yip Man) would say that it was okay to do it the more easier, more natural way. Maybe, his point was that it is important to be relaxed.

IMO - If true, this was probably due to the fact that no one had taught large groups of people before, so I’m sure his methods were somewhat experimental.

I also heard that he would get feedback from his students who were involved in the chalange matches, and would change or get rid of things that didn’t work in real world situations.

IMO - As people hear and learn different techniques and ideas they naturally adopt those that make sense to them.

Please don’t take this as a flame, as it is surely not meant to be demeaning to any of the different styles of Yip Man Wing Chun. The most important thing is that you can make your style work for you (as long as it adhears to the basic principles of WC/WT/VT).

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Interesting

(as long as it adhears to the basic principles of WC/WT/VT).

so, i’m assuming these alphabets all have the same voicebox:) , just one speaks chinese the other arabic?.

what are the most essential basic principals, “this is poorly worded” to make it correct WingChun:confused: :smiley:

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Diego,
Some of basic principles, according to what I was taught, include:

  1. simultaneous offense and defense
  2. the centerline theory.
  3. economical and simplistic movements.
  4. don’t fight your opponents force head on, but redirect his force and use this force against him.
    To name a few.

As long as your stance allows you to adhere to these principles then it is good Wing Chun. I have only trained in one style and therefore one advancing stance (weight on back leg 0/100) so I can’t say how the others perform, but the 0/100 stance seems pretty effective to me. But I can see how the 50/50 stance might be more mobile. I read in a post were Sihing73 mentioned that he has trained in several styles and has learned different stances (0/100, 50/50, etc.) and he said each stance has there strong and weak points, which stands to reason.

There are other factors involved in your stance, such as “how do you turn in your stance?” On the heels of your feet, on the balls of your feet, or in the center of your foot? But this is really getting off your topic, and has been hashed over in previous threads.

Hope this is what you were asking about, you kinda got lost me on your voicebox example. :smiley: :smiley:

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this is were i get confused

because from what i get some styles of kali have these principals, as a big portion of thier fundamentals/basics.
Now from what i get, if you take a basic hunggar technique such as thier claw and fist bowmotion, right punch in left cat stance. the general application for that would be block with a claw agianst a punch dropping into a catstance, and horizontal punch to the chest, now to flip that technique, a advanced stylist could use that empty leg in the cat stance to toe the groin, and he could do a fist and palm to the eardrums for example, wich would mirror wingchun technique in form.

so most techniques, and alot of my technique if not almost all, could be addappted wonce i master balance to hit with both hands and kick at the same time.
Make sence?!:smiley:

so i dont get out of all respect, thier must be a destinguishing trait
besides simulataneous attack and control of the centerline, because unlike western classical boxing, double punching and kicking is a high level trait of good chinese gung-fu.
You Got Any thoughts on this.

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Diego,

I’ve heard that Kali and Wing Chun have alot of the same principles.

From your example, in response to the opponents straight right punch, my first reaction would not be to block it but to through a straight left punch. As long as I punch from my centerline I will not only hit the opponent first (straightline theory), but it will also protect me from getting hit from the opponents right puch. Because, his right punch will be outside of my left punch. This is an example of simultaneous offense and defense (the same arm provides both funtions). I emphasize that he is throughing straight punches because this is an easy way to explain simultaneous offense and defense (which follows the principle of economical). If he throughs a hook I would have to do something a little different, more like what you described.

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continuation of previous reply

I have a guy in my class that has studied Hung Gar and the biggest difference between it and Wing Chun is that Wing Chun seems alot softer. I’m not saying it’s better or not, but just pointing out differences as I see them. But he may not be a good example, because I don’t know how far he advanced, just that he took it a long time. :wink: Also, in Wing Chun you punch with the elbow pointed down, and I don’t think Hung Gar punches that wey. Am I correct about this or am I missing the boat?

I think your right, in that there may be more similarities than differences between the two arts. Are you thinking about taking wing Chun? If so, I would be interested to hear what your comparison is of the two arts after you taken some Wing Chun lessons.

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Gandolph 269 sez:

I’ve heard that Kali and Wing Chun have alot of the same principles.

HOWZZAT?