Omei Bak Mei - Yum Yeung Jik Bo Kuen DVD

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Yao Sing,

I was New Yearsing it a bit…

I have made my comments on Doo Wai and his public-ness. Nothing much more to say.

As far as the other, what Sifu Garry is doing is no different than many teachers who teach Xing Yi, Tai Chi, and Bagua together, for example.

He sees the bigger picture as far as “Bak Mei Type Arts,” for lack of a much better name…is concerned. The few arts that he teaches all relate to each other in some way, all enhance each other, and are all useful. That is it.

He is trying to make it better for himself, to enhance the all of it, not only for himself but also his students. Whether the arts needed enhancing or not is insignificant. Evolution occurs, whether it needs to or not.

Cheers,

Tao

By the way, I am not really sure what Yang Tai Chi, Mok Gar, and Wah Lum have in common. Would you mind telling me? Thanks.

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Well, it looks like a solid beginning DVD in his art.

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Tao Yin

Mok Gar was Master Chan’s family style. It’s not really incorporated into Wah Lum but there is one set that’s taught. As far as the Yang style Tai Chi it’s commonly offered in KF schools to appeal to the older folks or the people who don’t go for the hard core arts. MC has never (that I know of) claimed any lineage or Masters expertise other than knowing enough to teach it. I’ve seen him chase away a Tai Chi class because the Kung Fu guys needed the area to practice so you can see his priorities (apoligies to the Tai Chi guys). I know to open a school and teach Wah Lum I had to learn Tai Chi so I could offer that instruction as well. It’s required for Wah Lum teachers.

I can see what you mean by “Bak Mei Type Arts,” as all the southern short-hand styles seem the same to me. It doesn’t seem right to me though that expertise in one would qualify you to teach the others. Hence my question about the styles associated with this DVD. If I’m wrong just tell me. It sounded like praise for his teacher, Doo Wai (who teaches Bak Fu Pai), that would make him a Bak Fy Pai stylist, and I saw a reference (not sure where now) to him learning Yau Kung Mun so of course I wondered how he could be teaching Bak Mei.

I suspect you really don’t want to drag on with this and you have made your opinion clear so you really don’t need to reply.

Edit: If we’re comparing my teacher to yours I don’t know exactly where MC leaned the Tai Chi he teaches and like I said Mok Gar was his family style. Wah Lum was handed to him since he was the youngest student of LKS. All his older kf brothers (basically uncles since LKS was brought in to teach the extended family, and village in general (MC’s father was the village “mayor”), plus offer protection) passed to him what they learned so he would have all of it.

So then how does a YKM guy teach BM and why dedicate a BM DVD to a BFP master? Sorry if I’m touching a nerve that’s best kept secret.

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Yao Sing,
As has been explained before in this thread
The external sets of Yau Kung Mun are Bak Mei sets excluding our Ying Ching set. Our Great Grand Master Ha Hon Hung was a disciple of CLC before branching out on his own. We have our Internal Art which is the true Yau Kung Mun.

That is what would qualify my Sifu to teach Bak Mei.

Thanks

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Yao Sing,

Hi. The reason that I terribly named it “Bak Mei Type Arts,” is because Sifu Garry’s main focus is and has been on these arts. The founder of Yau Kung Mun, Ha Hon Hung, was Cheung Lai Chen’s (Bak Mei Sijo) disciple. Even Ha’s first school was called something like Pearl River Bak Mei Gung Fu Association. They had a split.

YKM has the Bak Mei material inside its curriculum. Sifu Garry learned this. He also learned other Bak Mei in Hong Kong and Guangzhou. And he studied Bak Mei from Doo and Bak Fu Pai. All of these things are so closely related, both historically and physically…Sifu Garry is simply looking for every single piece of the puzzle. So on the vid he is giving credit to Wai Sifu because he is teaching his Bak Mei on that particular video.

I don’t think that this is much different than some of your Si Hing who have studied every other style of NPM that they could get their hands on. It’s no different than Dragon people who study Bak Mei and vice versa, or Hung Gar people who study Southern Praying Mantis or vice versa…

I am not comparing anyone. I know enough about Master Chan’s abilities. I even asked him about Doo Wai before believe it or not. One morning there, I did a Bak Fu moving meditation while warming up. Chan Sifu didn’t like that and neither did Tu Sifu, and man if I didn’t get the picture quickly…Later we did Yang Tai Chi though…to be 18 again. :smiley:

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Lungyuil,

What’s up bro? Cheers!

Tao

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[QUOTE=TAO YIN;1150254]What will it be like? What did you want it to be like?

Been looking for Frost,s DVD for years now…

This whole idea of guilty by association is among the most idiotic things this world has going for it. I am guessing that you are not a fan of Ghandi, right?[/QUOTE]

When I want to start ripping off people ill start doing dvds in my living room and correspondence courses for people to pay for ok :rolleyes:

Doo is a fraud and possibly deranged, I think the law suit he lost in china and the way the bak mei elders suggested he stop using their styles name or else (in connection to white tiger speaks volumes about him, why anyone would learn from him is anyones guess but I for one have no wish to learn a secret style from one of his students because it sets my bllsht detector off like no bodies business

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Frost,

Hello. Aside from what I have already written…ALL of it sets of my BS detector…

Wai called it Bak Fu Pai, at least since he started teaching it in America.

This Bak Mei elders telling him not to call it Bak Mei? When? In the 60s? So he originally called it Bak Mei in the 60s, then changed it to Bak Fu Pai? Or he changed it to Bak Fu Pai for Bruce’s book, simply to set himself apart, or???

And the lawsuit bit. Some family in China asking him not to use the Mew/ Miu/ Miao name, Even though he never did but his student did…and taking him to court over it, in China no less…when was this also…

About the Bak Mei elder bit, I don’t care, I can put two and two together on that. But on this other lawsuit thing…where? What province at least? Names…City would be helpful. I go to China frequently and travel. Would be happy to stop by this court and ask…

All of it, and I mean all of it, equally ridiculous.

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Okay, this is mildly tiring. Let’s be objective about this.

There is a lot of controversy, truths, half truths, and whatever else about Doo Wai…he was respected by many, he has some simple and effective arts, and he is very weird…No one here has ever seemed to know jack sheot about him..including me.

Sifu Garry is a respected martial artist in Yau Kung Mun, Guangzhou Pak Mei, and Wun Yuern. He learned some kind of Bak Mei from Doo Wai, and made a DVD about it. I guess he liked it for some reason. Maybe it is good stuff, or maybe it is to him…

Who cares? Don’t buy it? Happy? Buy it! Happy?

Is this what this thread needed? Good, there then. Fixed that for you.

Lastly, and most objectively, why learn any martial arts from anyone who wasn’t or isn’t a true warrior with many many kills? Crickey!

And, Frost,

Do you like Ghandi?

I almost forgot to add, in the end of it all who gives a flying furck? (Waits for someone to say, “obviously you do.”)

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We were offered to check out the trailer for a training DVD. That would imply comments (the reason for this forum is to talk about these thing). Just because we didn’t grovel in amazement at his skill and knowledge is not the problem of the forum or the posters.

Feedback about the video, not about the person, was also offered (filming in living room, music covering descriptions, etc) and like it or not he needs to know why the KF public is not responsive to his offering.

Plus some good info, for me at least, came out of this thread.

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[QUOTE=TAO YIN;1151168]Frost,

Hello. Aside from what I have already written…ALL of it sets of my BS detector…

Wai called it Bak Fu Pai, at least since he started teaching it in America.

This Bak Mei elders telling him not to call it Bak Mei? When? In the 60s? So he originally called it Bak Mei in the 60s, then changed it to Bak Fu Pai? Or he changed it to Bak Fu Pai for Bruce’s book, simply to set himself apart, or???

And the lawsuit bit. Some family in China asking him not to use the Mew/ Miu/ Miao name, Even though he never did but his student did…and taking him to court over it, in China no less…when was this also…

About the Bak Mei elder bit, I don’t care, I can put two and two together on that. But on this other lawsuit thing…where? What province at least? Names…City would be helpful. I go to China frequently and travel. Would be happy to stop by this court and ask…

All of it, and I mean all of it, equally ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Doo claimed that Fung Doh Duk also took complete notes on the systems of each of the other 4 elders, and copied the forms of each of their systems in that huge yellow pages-sized kuen po his dad passed down to him. That’s how he explained his knowledge of Bak Mei.

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[QUOTE=Frost;1151165]When I want to start ripping off people ill start doing dvds in my living room and correspondence courses for people to pay for ok :rolleyes:

Doo is a fraud and possibly deranged,…[/QUOTE]

Yes, excessive qigong/meditation practice produces a high incidence of psychosis. Hence all the strange martial arts people running around, and all the stories of crazy or weird monks, even if they were amazing fighters. Then if you add in how some Asian masters might fancy smoking illegal substances and choking from it in their videos, and partying with certain Hollywood celebrities and rappers…well you can multiply the whole deranged effect exponentially…

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[QUOTE=TAO YIN;1151169]Okay, this is mildly tiring. Let’s be objective about this.

There is a lot of controversy, truths, half truths, and whatever else about Doo Wai…he was respected by many, he has some simple and effective arts, and he is very weird…No one here has ever seemed to know jack sheot about him..including me.

Sifu Garry is a respected martial artist in Yau Kung Mun, Guangzhou Pak Mei, and Wun Yuern. He learned some kind of Bak Mei from Doo Wai, and made a DVD about it. I guess he liked it for some reason. Maybe it is good stuff, or maybe it is to him…

Who cares? Don’t buy it? Happy? Buy it! Happy?

Is this what this thread needed? Good, there then. Fixed that for you.

Lastly, and most objectively, why learn any martial arts from anyone who wasn’t or isn’t a true warrior with many many kills? Crickey!

And, Frost,

Do you like Ghandi?

I almost forgot to add, in the end of it all who gives a flying furck? (Waits for someone to say, “obviously you do.”)[/QUOTE]

well if you didnt care you wouldnt be posting so much would you :slight_smile:

It really doesnt matter to me im staying well clear of his products and simply replied to another poster as to why Ross wasnt on the thread and what i thought of the guys teacher: he was sued, he is considered by large parts of the chinese community a fraud and a joke, he is ripping people off and that sure as h*ll doesnt bode well if he is the instructor on the guy making the clips does it

But hey if you are happy with what you are getting have fun, just dont get upset when others dont agree with your opinion of the guy, its a free country afterall

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Yao Sing,

I agree, and that is expected. I think any comments made, especially those you pointed out, are good. I don’t think anyone, especially myself, expected any grovelling. All comments are good.

Faruq,

Well, we know that didn’t happen of course.

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[QUOTE=TAO YIN;1151220]Faruq,

Well, we know that didn’t happen of course.[/QUOTE]

I would still like to have that encyclopeadic kuen po translated anyway though, lol. Who knows who wrote all that stuff it? lol…

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Tao,
How are you going bro? How is the family?

cheers

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Yau Sing,
100’s of people including kung fu sifus of bak mei & other systems have bought the dvd and have all given sifu great feedback.
This information helped them understand bak mei in a new light!

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Lungyuil, would you ask Sifu Garry when he’s gonna send me a copy?

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Frost,

I mentioned your first sentence there, “waiting for someone to say you obviously do?”.

Other than the fact that you don’t have to, why not respond to what I posted?

I am not getting in any way about it. I am just off work and typing here on an Internet forum. I am typing the truth as I see it as a rational person.

Answer these for me, and I will agree, shut up, and never post again.

Why did,so many respect him?

Did he change the name in the 60s or?

Can I please have verifiable evidence of these charges? (On this one, I will post it for the world. Any expenses you need for it, let me know.)

Again, as you didn’t read what I wrote. All of it sets of my bs filters…all of it…

I really couldn’t care. I just think its funny that no one can ever reply truthfully in either direction. Here, I will make up a new one, probably will be spewed on forums in a couple of years…doo watched it as a child in hong kong. Watched it taught behind closed doors, and remembered it, and then taught it to unsuspecting Lao wai. At least that is more believable…

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Sounds like a Tai Chi story I once heard. :smiley: