I saw this video of Lin Tang Fang of Haiyang. Apparently his shifu was a disciple of Liang Xue Xiang, making it the oldest style of mantis. Does anyone know anything about this system? What makes up the syllabus?
[QUOTE=xiao yao;1172697]http://youtu.be/TxpH7oYsZ0I
I saw this video of Lin Tang Fang of Haiyang. Apparently his shifu was a disciple of Liang Xue Xiang, making it the oldest style of mantis. Does anyone know anything about this system? What makes up the syllabus?[/QUOTE]
I have seen this video before. Thanks for providing some historical reference.
Sifu Tolson,
Are you feeling allright? Someone posted that you were undergoing surgery.
Hope your recovery is a sound one.
Regards,
LTN
[QUOTE=LaterthanNever;1172758]Sifu Tolson,
Are you feeling allright? Someone posted that you were undergoing surgery.
Hope your recovery is a sound one.
Regards,
LTN[/QUOTE]
LTN,
Thanks for asking!
Yes, I had quadruple heart bypass surgery. Recovery is going well. I am teaching classes, but unable to do much myself physically yet.
[QUOTE=xiao yao;1172697]http://youtu.be/TxpH7oYsZ0I
I saw this video of Lin Tang Fang of Haiyang. Apparently his shifu was a disciple of Liang Xue Xiang, making it the oldest style of mantis. Does anyone know anything about this system? What makes up the syllabus?[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you should try contacting Ilya Profatilova for information. He was the speaker in the commentary.
Here is his website:
[QUOTE=xiao yao;1172697]Does anyone know anything about this system? What makes up the syllabus?[/QUOTE]
Third road of Beng Bu can be seen at 5:45 So, you can see how different, or similar it is to other schools, or to how you have learned it.
I would like to hear Robert Hui’s take on the Beng bu being so similar to his own and what he deduces from that.
The form at 8:05 (and again at 9:50) reminds me of Roberts dan zhai mei hua form.
Zhao Zhuxi’s mantis, apart what Ilya does here, is the only one that shoots out the double punches on a semi regular basis.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1172761]LTN,
Thanks for asking!
Yes, I had quadruple heart bypass surgery. Recovery is going well. I am teaching classes, but unable to do much myself physically yet.[/QUOTE]
It takes more than a bypass to keep the man down !!
[QUOTE=Tainan Mantis;1172871]Third road of Beng Bu can be seen at 5:45 So, you can see how different, or similar it is to other schools, or to how you have learned it.[/QUOTE]
This section of bung bu is similar as our CKTaichi mantis.
thanks for the info
here is another video, which shows a section of something called “fumu quan” and then what i think is the opening of bengbu. just ignore the beginning where they are talking about the words eat and drink in haiyang dialect…
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzk4NjExODI4.html
wasnt zhao zhu xi a classmate of wang guo dian? who did they learn from?
[QUOTE=xiao yao;1172904]thanks for the info
here is another video, which shows a section of something called “fumu quan” and then what i think is the opening of bengbu. just ignore the beginning where they are talking about the words eat and drink in haiyang dialect…
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzk4NjExODI4.html
wasnt zhao zhu xi a classmate of wang guo dian? who did they learn from?[/QUOTE]
The basics are there, but that is a very different version of Beng Bu in the way he performs it.
He certainly favors the as a throwing technique rather than as a “lifting yin” strike.
and are quite different. is done quite low with a sinking power. While the end of the clip is fairly standard.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1172913]The basics are there, but that is a very different version of Beng Bu in the way he performs it.
He certainly favors the as a throwing technique rather than as a “lifting yin” strike.
and are quite different. is done quite low with a sinking power. While the end of the clip is fairly standard.[/QUOTE]
Like Alex said, it is like CKTaichi Mantis.
This version does not contain or
[QUOTE=Tainan Mantis;1172921]Like Alex said, it is like CKTaichi Mantis.
This version does not contain or [/QUOTE]
Thank you for the clarification! I guess I missed Alex’s comment.
I missed this thread..sorry..I know it is sort of old. Re: “oldest style” of mantis? Does that settle the debate about which of the mantis families/sub-styles are the oldest? Would this clip of the form mean that Plum Blossom is the oldest? 7 star? 6 harmonies?
I find it odd..and perhaps a bit frustrating that few have tried researching the subject more…
[QUOTE=LaterthanNever;1285177]I missed this thread..sorry..I know it is sort of old. Re: “oldest style” of mantis? Does that settle the debate about which of the mantis families/sub-styles are the oldest? Would this clip of the form mean that Plum Blossom is the oldest? 7 star? 6 harmonies?
I find it odd..and perhaps a bit frustrating that few have tried researching the subject more…[/QUOTE]
It isn’t a matter of the research not being attempted. It is more a matter of little documentary evidence, few documents due to the illiteracy of past instructors, and who you choose to believe when stories conflict.
Some of us have come to our own conclusions on the issue. However, there is no sense starting a war over it, so we just keep our opinions to ourselves.
Some of us have come to our own conclusions on the issue."
Yes, this is my area of interest, and not “starting a war over it” as you might conclude.
Might I ask, from the video posted above which now no longer works, what is the opinion re: oldest style of mantis"
I believe that this website offers the most credible history of Tanglangquan: http://www.taipinginstitute.com/menu-styles/zy/tanglangquan
My belief is that Seven Star mantis and Six Harmony mantis are offshoots of Plum Flower mantis.
Li Bingxaio (1731-1813) is the earliest credible originator of tanglangquan as we know it today. What he taught, a few generations later, became known as Plum Flower mantis.
Wang Yongchun (1854-1926) created the basis of modern Seven Star mantis by combining his knowledge of long fist with mantis boxing that he learned in Shandong province.
Wei Delin (1780-1873) created Six Harmonies mantis by combining his knowledge of Six Harmonies boxing with mantis boxing that he learned from a mantis boxer in Laiyang (the hot bed of Plum Flower mantis).
In the beginning it was just Tanglang. Both Meihua and Qixing came later.
BT
I think in the beginning there were no forms, and just lines like you do in Xingyi. People got tired of repeating the same movements over and over, so they combined them into forms. Luan Jie probably came first.
That’s not based on any mysterious old manuscripts or secret history, just my own opinion, and could be completely wrong.
My belief is that Seven Star mantis and Six Harmony mantis are offshoots of Plum Flower mantis"
This would make some sense as Liang Xue Xiang was born(according to the information you provided above) some 80 years before the earliest documented master of the 7 star line. Thanks