Hi SS…
[QUOTE=SevenStar;746666] why and how would it harm you?
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Well, just the genral impact of it on my arms, and fists and shoulders. I train a lot, and I suppose I hit quite hard now, so I just wonder if that could be damaging me with the impact of it.
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I wouldn’t expect push hands to look like a strike anymore than I would expect clinch work to look like a strike. But, as you said, there are specific practices for that. Neither look like forms work. I wasn’t aware that yiquan had no forms, however, I was thinking that the first part of that clip was from a form. [/QUOTE]
No, it’s caled shili and the step is macabu - they’re all kinds of, or extensions of standing meditation. The idea is a bit like the taiji feeling, but freestyle.. althiyg there are some standard ones to teach people the basic idea - eventually leading up to free shadow boxing… catching the relaxed feeling, trying to learn how to maintain the same relaxation when actually fighting. It’s an interesting method and seems to work. Well, it worked for me, but, the reasons why I think are hard to put in to words - it’s not enough to say practice slow then speed up - because it;s more to do with the feeling of total body integration. The punches are practice dlike that as well.
Yiquan is well known for an emphasis on relaxation and freedom.
No, no forms - Wang Xiang Zhai, the founder of Yiquan is the original “forms suck” guy - FROM TMA!
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No, no forms - Wang Xiang Zhai, the founder of Yiquan is the original “forms suck” guy - FROM TMA![/QUOTE]
You seem to be forgetting WHY he didn’t practice forms, which was because the govt. didn’t want him to be doing martial arts.
Basically, I don’t remember the entire history but supposedly Wang Xiang Zhai was Guo Yunshen’s best student, then met a xinyi guy, Huang Muqiao, who beat him, and decided that what he got from Guo Yunshen was unsufficient.
So supposedly he practiced and taught the methods he got from Huang Muqiao, which included a lot more partner work and some sort of dance, and developed it and called it Yiquan and then later Great Achivements boxing.
But supposedly he hadn’t totally gotten rid of forms at this point.
He was very famous, and got lots of challenges, and had a school, and at some point around 1949 the Communists won and came to check him out. At that point he stopped doing martial arts and he published several articles talking about health and martial arts (sound familiar – Yang Cheng Fu), and that was the end of the fighting and the forms entirely.
[QUOTE=Water-quan;746670]Well, just the genral impact of it on my arms, and fists and shoulders. I train a lot, and I suppose I hit quite hard now, so I just wonder if that could be damaging me with the impact of it.[/quote]
I dunno… over years of hitting a bag for several three minute rounds, several days per week - literally thousands of punches per week - I haven’t seen any damage. Variation is great, and I do both speed and power training on the bag - but I wouldn’t back off of power training from fear of damage to myself.
[QUOTE=neilhytholt;746673]You seem to be forgetting WHY he didn’t practice forms, which was because the govt. didn’t want him to be doing martial arts.
Basically, I don’t remember the entire history but supposedly Wang Xiang Zhai was Guo Yunshen’s best student, then met a xinyi guy, Huang Muqiao, who beat him, and decided that what he got from Guo Yunshen was unsufficient.
So supposedly he practiced and taught the methods he got from Huang Muqiao, which included a lot more partner work and some sort of dance, and developed it and called it Yiquan and then later Great Achivements boxing.
But supposedly he hadn’t totally gotten rid of forms at this point.
He was very famous, and got lots of challenges, and had a school, and at some point around 1949 the Communists won and came to check him out. At that point he stopped doing martial arts and he published several articles talking about health and martial arts (sound familiar – Yang Cheng Fu), and that was the end of the fighting and the forms entirely.[/QUOTE]
Reading this made me feel like I need to lie down for a day! If you are actually interested in the real truth, you can check this link:
http://www.jiayo.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4029
At the bottom of which is an interview with Wang.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;746682]I dunno… over years of hitting a bag for several three minute rounds, several days per week - literally thousands of punches per week - I haven’t seen any damage. Variation is great, and I do both speed and power training on the bag - but I wouldn’t back off of power training from fear of damage to myself.[/QUOTE]
Well, I am not a spring chicken, so I wonder in my case. I do some, minimal weight trainign as well, which I’ve also cut, because it just doesn’t feel in harmony with my body any more. I’ve not cut the bag work yet, just wondering if it could be harmful. Thanks for the advice.
[QUOTE=Water-quan;746689]Reading this made me feel like I need to lie down for a day! If you are actually interested in the real truth, you can check this link:
http://www.jiayo.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4029
At the bottom of which is an interview with Wang.[/QUOTE]
And then this:
http://www.yiquan.com/v3/en/index.htm
Some times we hear stories, and assume that they are true. Wang’s letting go of forms was due to wisdom, and a genuine interest in real fighting. I’m not sure who told you otherwise, but they were lying for their own agenda.
[QUOTE=Water-quan;746689]Reading this made me feel like I need to lie down for a day! If you are actually interested in the real truth, you can check this link:
http://www.jiayo.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4029
At the bottom of which is an interview with Wang.[/QUOTE]
It was these types of interviews occurring after the Communists took over that made it seem like it was revisionist history, but who knows. I have no idea.
[QUOTE=Water-quan;746693]And then this:
http://www.yiquan.com/v3/en/index.htm
Some times we hear stories, and assume that they are true. Wang’s letting go of forms was due to wisdom, and a genuine interest in real fighting. I’m not sure who told you otherwise, but they were lying for their own agenda.[/QUOTE]
Actually they told me what you said, and it seemed logical that they were lying for their own agenda because they were Commies. LOL
[QUOTE=neilhytholt;746694]It was these types of interviews occurring after the Communists took over that made it seem like it was revisionist history, but who knows. I have no idea.[/QUOTE]
All of the relevent information is in the public domain. Yiquan was more of a pre-JKD idea - nothing to do with communists.
[QUOTE=neilhytholt;746695]Actually they told me what you said, and it seemed logical that they were lying for their own agenda because they were Commies. LOL[/QUOTE]
Well, all you can do is trust your own intution.