Hi guys, I am in need of some assistance.
Can anyone suggest breathing techniques/visualization stuff to refine my chi (i.e. make it less impure)?
Can anyone suggest how to amplify the presence of metal in the atmosphere using my chi? (I have some physical problems that others have suggested is due to a lack of the metal element in the atmosphere, I don’t want to get too deep into this lol)
[QUOTE=bagelgod;1013077]Hi guys, I am in need of some assistance.
Can anyone suggest breathing techniques/visualization stuff to refine my chi (i.e. make it less impure)?
Can anyone suggest how to amplify the presence of metal in the atmosphere using my chi? (I have some physical problems that others have suggested is due to a lack of the metal element in the atmosphere, I don’t want to get too deep into this lol)[/QUOTE]
Go to a proper medical doctor first!
#2 falls into the chronic illness, dr’s said they got nothin, its not an immediate injury lol dont worry if I had a broken arm or something I’d go to the doctor
Ah, it is good to know that you have seen a medical doctor.
There are numerous books on the subject of Qi Gong that might help. Just look on Amazon. Otherwise it might be more productive to post where you are living and others may be able to give you the name of some qualified instructors in your area.
Think of where your chi is supposed to be (about an inch below the navel, if you had a flat tummy and about two inches in or around there you might should look it up from a propper authority.
In My Ernie Moore Jr.'s Kung-Fu, Squirrel, I made-up, That place of chi store is thought of as a pearl (you pick the size-ish. There are no lungs as we know them to be so merely breathe-in the breath goes down the front like water falling off of a cliff and is focusedby the breasts as a guide. it centers on the solar plexus and falls passed the pearl.
As the breat passes the pearl the chi from the air is added to the pearl thus your cultivation-refining–let the passing breath wash away/ carry off inpurities of your chi. and the misty pool below the cultivating pearl harmless ly leaves as mist breathed out freeing you of as much toxic build-up.
Bathe the pearl in your breathing. The pearl is chi. It does not increase in size but constantly gets added to like the layering of a fine sword your chi refines.
Some such perhaps one might say.
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Your chi begins just below the naval. The naval turns downward and eventually becomes the root of your *****. That’s right, you are a dik. Your body then grows around that. It is where your center of universe is located. Everything flows outward from there.
Breathing is done properly be using the lower abdomen. You have a diaphram between the heart and lungs and the lower abdomen, and when you extend the abdomen it works to form a slight vaccum in the lower abdomen, which pulls down on the diaphram, which in turns pulls air into the lungs. You do not expand the chest to pull in air, but you breath with the abdomen instead. You can learn to expell your breath in short small bursts and focus your chi from the core to any individual limb or hand you choose, at any time you choose to do so.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1014190]
Breathing is done properly be using the lower abdomen. You have a diaphram between the heart and lungs and the lower abdomen, and when you extend the abdomen it works to form a slight vaccum in the lower abdomen, which pulls down on the diaphram, which in turns pulls air into the lungs. You do not expand the chest to pull in air, but you breath with the abdomen instead. [/QUOTE]
that is so completely wrong, in so many ways, I almost can’t even begin to tell you how much;
start with the fact that nothing “pulls down” on the diaphragm - it’s a muscle, it contracts in two phases: centrally, and as such it descends, as a result of the contraction; the anterior abdominal wall expands because the diaphragm presses the abdominal viscera down and forward - and if you strongly contract your abdominals, it will counter this (ever heard of “reverse breathing”, Mr. Qi?); the chest DOES expand to pull in air, because when the thoracic cavity expands, due to the secondary activity of the peripheral diaphragmatic fibers, (which can now contract because the central tendon is stabilized on top of the abdominal visceral mass), it create a negative pressure in the lungs when it does so; and if you do reverse breathing, you actually increase thoracic expansion, because the central tendon stabilizes sooner and more firmly, allowing a stronger and greater excursion of the peripheral fibers;
you know absolutely nothing about respiratory biomechanics / neuromuscular physiology, and I would suggest you at least go read a book on the topic before acting like an authority about something that you have no clue at all about in the slightest;
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1014199]that is so completely wrong, in so many ways, I almost can’t even begin to tell you how much;
start with the fact that nothing “pulls down” on the diaphragm - it’s a muscle, it contracts in two phases: centrally, and as such it descends, as a result of the contraction; the anterior abdominal wall expands because the diaphragm presses the abdominal viscera down and forward - and if you strongly contract your abdominals, it will counter this (ever heard of “reverse breathing”, Mr. Qi?); the chest DOES expand to pull in air, because when the thoracic cavity expands, due to the secondary activity of the peripheral diaphragmatic fibers, (which can now contract because the central tendon is stabilized on top of the abdominal visceral mass), it create a negative pressure in the lungs when it does so; and if you do reverse breathing, you actually increase thoracic expansion, because the central tendon stabilizes sooner and more firmly, allowing a stronger and greater excursion of the peripheral fibers;
you know absolutely nothing about respiratory biomechanics / neuromuscular physiology, and I would suggest you at least go read a book on the topic before acting like an authority about something that you have no clue at all about in the slightest;[/QUOTE]
Actually, I do. But I am not playing like a doctor, and was actually trying to explain it so he would understand. And the diaphram is not a muscle. It is a sinewy tissue. I know this because I have had multiple injuries to mine and multiple surgeries to correct it. All this was perfectly explained to me at the time, or actually several times.
If you wrapped your belly tightly so that it could not extend, you would have to expand your chest in order to pull air into the lungs. If you were left tied up to do that over time you would exhaust and sufficate to death. We breath with the abdomen. Go ahead and try it. You can not take in breath without expanding the chest or extending the belly. Go ahead and give it a try.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1017301]Actually, I do. But I am not playing like a doctor, and was actually trying to explain it so he would understand. And the diaphram is not a muscle. It is a sinewy tissue. I know this because I have had multiple injuries to mine and multiple surgeries to correct it. All this was perfectly explained to me at the time, or actually several times.
If you wrapped your belly tightly so that it could not extend, you would have to expand your chest in order to pull air into the lungs. If you were left tied up to do that over time you would exhaust and sufficate to death. We breath with the abdomen. Go ahead and try it. You can not take in breath without expanding the chest or extending the belly. Go ahead and give it a try.[/QUOTE]
you still have no idea what you are talking about; but the above line I highlighted gave a bunch of my physical therapist colleagues and myself a good hearty belly laugh (using our sinewy-non-musclar-tissues to do so);
usually your trolling is fun to read; in this case it’s just silly
[QUOTE=bagelgod;1013077]Hi guys, I am in need of some assistance.
Can anyone suggest breathing techniques/visualization stuff to refine my chi (i.e. make it less impure)?
Can anyone suggest how to amplify the presence of metal in the atmosphere using my chi? (I have some physical problems that others have suggested is due to a lack of the metal element in the atmosphere, I don’t want to get too deep into this lol)[/QUOTE]
Some questions:
a. Why is your chi impure?
b. What makes it so?
c. What do you mean by “amplifying iron in the atmosphere”? You can easiy do that by ingesting 1 prune every 2 days or so!
d. What physical problems do you have?
Clarification is needed for simplification and not being too lofty.
[QUOTE=bagelgod;1013077]2) Can anyone suggest how to amplify the presence of metal in the atmosphere using my chi? (I have some physical problems that others have suggested is due to a lack of the metal element in the atmosphere, I don’t want to get too deep into this lol)[/QUOTE]
Are you sure that you’re not confusing Iron with Ions?
If your talking about the metal element or -sounds like a deficiency in that merdian grouping which is Lung and Large Intestine, you might be getting mixed up with some of the jargon used..
Just start by talking some Qigong classes and going from there - forget the amplify business - you need to learn to walk before running…
or…
Go for a brisk walk every day.
Try to do this for no less than 30 minutes each day.
Be conscious of your posture and remain upright while walking, while seated.
Exercise in other ways as well, try something more regimented and more demanding a couple of times a week.
watch to make sure you don’t have too many detrimental things in your diet and enough of the good stuff.
stay away from “white” powder goods: IE: White flour, White sugar, white bread, processed cereal et al.
Good Qi (which is really a metaphor for the normal functions of your body) comes from proper diet, good exercise, proper rest, less emotions, cutting down on stress, genetic factors, reducing toxins, pollutants, EMF’s from our inner and outer environment.
Examine your lifestyle and eliminate the crap from it. Find a good Chinese Medicine practitioner that will advise you properly.
[QUOTE=bagelgod;1013077]Hi guys, I am in need of some assistance.
Can anyone suggest breathing techniques/visualization stuff to refine my chi (i.e. make it less impure)?
Can anyone suggest how to amplify the presence of metal in the atmosphere using my chi? (I have some physical problems that others have suggested is due to a lack of the metal element in the atmosphere, I don’t want to get too deep into this lol)[/QUOTE]
Not sure if we have the same problem. I use to feel like I had dead energy sorry not sure the correct terminology but tired and breath not as strong as I think it should have been. I was doing cardio and lifting weights so it wasn’t due to lack of exercise. I recently started going to tai chi and yoga classes and I feel that it is helping. I never thought I would like yoga but the posses are simple and pace is slow but the feeling of aliveness after word is surprising. Not sure what you do now for martial arts or exercise but thought I would share with you. Good luck with your journey.
[QUOTE=chusauli;1021709]Good Qi (which is really a metaphor for the normal functions of your body) [/QUOTE]
[SIZE=“7”]THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAYS WHAT I HAVE BEEN STATING ON KFMF FOR YEARS!!![/SIZE]
I think I can die now…
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1022177][SIZE=“7”]THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAYS WHAT I HAVE BEEN STATING ON KFMF FOR YEARS!!![/SIZE]
I think I can die now…[/QUOTE]
Cough…cough…ahem…what am I, chopped liver???:mad:
Just cuz I rarely argue with idiots anymore means I never said anything…oh…ummmmm…5, 6, 7, 8, 9 years ago?
<with tear in eye> I guess its time to pull that trigger and give you your wish!!!
Contradict to the general believe of using the breathing techniques or visualization stuffs (which 90% of the time the breathing and visualization stuffs screw up things even more.)
To cultivate Qi, one take the path of Shen instead of breathing or Qi. When Shen is settle, then breathing correct itself and Qi grow and balance.
So, how to do that? get into silence via prayer.
Yes, as Catholic, Christian prayer. Dont even have to go screw around with oriental technics which most of the time is incompletely present in the west.
Shen is settle when mind quiet down. Which means you dont want to visualizate because when you visualized your shen cant quiet down instead you are using it. and for beginner that is even worst.
You also dont want to use breathing techniques because when there is a control concept in your mind you disturb the shen and also you disturb the breathing in a certain non natural way to get if off the track of the natural resonance.
so, the true practice of Chinese Internal art is based on settle Shen, not visualization or breathing.
So, what is shen? Shen is the awareness energy. for example after you have a good nice sleep when you focus you dont have to use much effort and your mind will be settle and sharp. on the other hand, when you got a hang over, then no matter how you visualize or breath or force yourself or focus you cant get the mind to be settle and sharp.
So, Shen is that awareness energy.
So, the easiest way to cultivate the shen or that awareness energy is via prayer if one doesnt have a sifu to coach one.
When the Shen is full, Qi will be full, blood with be lively.
So, go do prayer atleast 30 mins morning and night for 30 days and in the daily activity – from thinking and every thing you do, as soon as you find stuck or energy drain, stop there to not drain your shen.
you will notice your mind could quiet down, sharp, emotion is much stable, and body will be feeling much well.
Again, if you could enter into the silence via prayer. You dont have to deal with all the amplifying …etc. Just enter into the silence via prayer. let everything including those your mind has no idea balance themselve.
That is called LET GO and LET GOD. or Dao mimic NAture. Or Wu Wei Wu poo Wei ( doing nothing and all get done.)
Those are a true practice of Qigong for healing and Dao or ZEN cultivation. The core of cultivation.
It is the path to transcend the body mind and return to the origin where some call it Dao, Buddha nature, God …etc.
Dont take my words litely, for that is what the essence teaching of all sage of the past present and future which I have learn.
IMHO,
In the west, it is better that you are using prayer because it is more suitable to the western culture; and at every era there are sage and saints and praticioners in the west which keep the prayer practice update: from Saint Francis of Assisi to Saint Padre Pio, to late healer Ron Roth. http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Prayers-Ron-Roth/dp/1561705314
I share the above because I myself have used both the east and west technics to enter into the gate of silence and found out they lead to the same path.
In the advance level, different methods of entering will make a different on how deep one could go. However, in this beginner and heal balancing state, we dont need to go that far at all to get the benifit. just make sure we dont screw ourself via following mislead path.
Finally, how those who are interested in ZEN, when one truly sees one’s buddha nature and stable, and un reverse-able, one’s Shen is full.
and that is Kung Fu of let go of attachement.
The the song of enligthement said, " let go of the four elements ( water earth fire wind) never grasp them… it is about taking off one’s own old cloth.. how could one claim to be superior "
So, yes cultivation of let go is a must to lead to stability and un reverse-able even if one has sees one’s buddha nature. Even the six patriach Hui Neng got to practice this, if you notice for six teen years after he sees the buddha nature he go into seclusion.
Thus, it is not just some concept or idea or visualization, it is about attainment. Similar to boiling water, one needs to know how to make fire and how to boil water. one needs then make sure the water get higher then 100C. Only when the water is boild the kung fu is there. knowing how to boil water doesnt count, knowing how to make fire doesnt count, boiling water to 80C doesnt count. attainment is get the water more then 100C then one talked. before the 100C one really doesnt know.
Hey Hendrik,
How about being a little more specific about what you mean by prayer?
For most people prayer involves using words in their mind to communicate with a higher power. This will not quiet mind, so you must mean something other than using words/prayer.
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1022279]Hey Hendrik,
How about being a little more specific about what you mean by prayer?
For most people prayer involves using words in their mind to communicate with a higher power. This will not quiet mind, so you must mean something other than using words/prayer.[/QUOTE]
Prayer is Surrender to GOD.
When one surrenders to God and enter into the silence. where is the words and mind ?
if one are not quieting one’s mind then one has not yet experience surrender to God and thus have known not prayer.
The magic is in the practice not in the reasoning.