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if one doesnt know about how to settle the Shen, the condensation of the Shen. One knows to have attain stable Qigong attainment is not possible.

In fact, one could even enter to the gate of Zhen Qi cultivation. No way in. That is certain.

So, it is extremely critical to know about Shen but then it is extremely or even next to impossible find a complete description in the Western world on this topic.

So, Go via prayer is a better path.

When One Surrender, one’s mind quiet down and thus the Shen settle or AN. That is the first step. and after the Shen is AN for a while it evolve into Condensation.

To have Zhen Qi grow in Dan DIen properly one must first be able condensation the shen.

In martial art application, if the Shen is not AN or settle, then one goes tunel vision or absent minded and mindfullness is not possible.

If Shen is not Condensation or Ning then fajing is not effective. Because an un condensation Shen will not support the Intention. Thus, as it says, make and intention and Shen is there, shen is there Qi will be there and the body transport.

So, without a condesation of Shen the Intention is made but it is like a gun without bullets.

and to unsettle or uncondensation shen is simple, having great sex or lots of drink to hang over, and fear or worry right awary does that.

Thus, St. Padre Pio said " Pray, Hope, and not worry." that is about Settle Shen if one put it in chinese term, that is surrender to GOD if one did that.

and if one carry out the instruction deeply, the Shen condensation process will activate and the body and issue will heal and solve not via mind thinking but via GOD. the mind is just a witness, it is God who make it happen.

However, to settle shen one needs faith instead of mind reasoning. It is as simple as one practice what St. Padre Pio said " Pray, hope, and not worry" because one has faith in St. Padre Pio. Via reasoning, one will never reach into conclusion of why Pray, hope, and not worry works, in fact, it doesnt work because worry is good thing for mind, the mind needs to do something to secure the situation, and to secure the situation the mind will create different scenerios to think and …etc. and there goes the un ended of draining the shen. and when one drain’s one’s shen, one’s body and mind goes — the problem never get solve but the body and mind gone.

So, when one talks about being Scientific, that is great but will that scientific being done with the expense of damaging the Shen? I hope some scientist look into this.

and for those who claim to practice Dao, Zen, Qigong… TCM… if one doesnt know how to handle the Shen, One is not even started the journey yet. Thus, there is not much benifit in mimic-ing the practice.

The six teen words core of the TCM says, " in the state of Serenity and void , the Zhen Qi will surface and adapt, Essense (jing) and Shen shine inward, How could it be sickness and imbalance?"

So, it is all about Shen. one must travel the proper path to get the benifit.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1022285]The six teen words core of the TCM says, " in the state of Serenity and void , the Zhen Qi will surface and adapt, Essense (jing) and Shen shine inward, How could it be sickness and imbalance?"[/QUOTE]
funny, the “six teen” words we used to have when I were in high school were “party hearty, get laid, do again”

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1022280]Prayer is Surrender to GOD.
When one surrenders to God and enter into the silence. where is the words and mind ?
if one are not quieting one’s mind then one has not yet experience surrender to God and thus have known not prayer.

The magic is in the practice not in the reasoning.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, reasoning should be avoided, but you use words in a manner in which they are not commonly used in an attempt to communicate principles you think are important, but which ineffectively communicates the principles.

And it is those who are asking for clarification due to your vagueness that should not use reasoning?

People would not have to resort to what you think of as excessive reasoning if you would practice it a bit more yourself before you take simple concepts and complicate them by changing the definitions of words at random according to your rainbow spinning robot mind!

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[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1022300]rainbow spinning robot mind![/QUOTE]
I miss the Rainbow Spinning Robot Mind, and would like to see more of it! I picture it as some sort of giant side-to-side lumbering Japanese animated creature harassing denizens of Tokyo with a big toothy smile on its face…

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1, English is not my language.

2, The topic is rare.

3, The bottom line is to help others to have a proper guide line so they are not screw.

If you could help to clarify what I post that is certainly great and appreciated. If you could present it much simple then me that is great.

However, there is no point to confuse others to argue for arguement shake. It is already a difficult world. What there is no need to make it more difficult and confusing for those who needs help.

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1022300]Hmmm, reasoning should be avoided, but you use words in a manner in which they are not commonly used in an attempt to communicate principles you think are important, but which ineffectively communicates the principles.

And it is those who are asking for clarification due to your vagueness that should not use reasoning?

People would not have to resort to what you think of as excessive reasoning if you would practice it a bit more yourself before you take simple concepts and complicate them by changing the definitions of words at random according to your rainbow spinning robot mind![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1022308]1, English is not my language.[/QUOTE]
that’s because you didn’t trademark it: if you wanted it to be your language, then you should have written it “English”, and it would have been yours; unfortunately for you, I have now done so myself, so it is now mine, and cannot now be yours, forever;

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1022308]2, The topic is rare.[/QUOTE]
see, most people here like their topics medium rare…

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1022308]3, The bottom line is to help others to have a proper guide line so they are not screw. [/QUOTE]
OTOH, for many people their tool in life is a hammer, so everywhere they go they will see nails; so it might actually not be a bad idea for someone to be a screw if it means avoiding getting hit on the head continuously…

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1022308]If you could help to clarify what I post that is certainly great and appreciated. If you could present it much simple then me that is great.
However, there is no point to confuse others to argue for arguement shake. It is already a difficult world. What there is no need to make it more difficult and confusing for those who needs help.[/QUOTE]
ok, in all seriousness Hendrick, you claim to want to make things easy for people; but at the same time, you set-up what you think is the appropriate end-goal for people in practice / life, etc. (you know, the whole silence, stillness, surrender, etc. thing), then you tell people that there is only one way to get there, which is the particular path that you have found works for you, and you dismiss out of hand as speculation anyone who disagrees and presents their own “goal” (so to speak) and method of attainment; you also contradict yourself by criticizing anyone who references any sort of text as an example to support what they say, stating that it’s inappropriate to rely on texts, but then you yourself constantly post links to songs / videos as a means of illustrating your point, which, sorry to say, is exactly the same thing; finally, if someone points this all out to you, you don’t engage but rather become passive aggressive, send them all your love, tell them that you are happy for them and discontinue responding to them;

this serves to turn off the majority of people with whom you “communicate”, and while that’s as may be, if your point is to assist people to whatever you believe is the proper path, alienating them really isn’t going to get you far at all in that regard;

in fact, for whatever reason, you seem to cause controversy and conflict pretty much every where you post - yet you persist in the belief that you are 100% correct and that everyone else is wrong-minded;

at bottom, your presence here creates more confusion (to people who try to figure out what you are trying to say) and contention (with people who think you are incorrect for whatever reason); in fact, your posting here creates an environment which is the very antithesis of the clarity and agreement that you purport to advocate;

ok, you may now love me and dismiss me as per your usual m/o, ya big lug…

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if you have anything better to share on this particular topic then please share.
Otherwise, please dont waste the bandwidth of others off topic.

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1022310]that’s because you didn’t trademark it: if you wanted it to be your language, then you should have written it “English”, and it would have been yours; unfortunately for you, I have now done so myself, so it is now mine, and cannot now be yours, forever;

see, most people here like their topics medium rare…

OTOH, for many people their tool in life is a hammer, so everywhere they go they will see nails; so it might actually not be a bad idea for someone to be a screw if it means avoiding getting hit on the head continuously…

ok, in all seriousness Hendrick, you claim to want to make things easy for people; but at the same time, you set-up what you think is the appropriate end-goal for people in practice / life, etc. (you know, the whole silence, stillness, surrender, etc. thing), then you tell people that there is only one way to get there, which is the particular path that you have found works for you, and you dismiss out of hand as speculation anyone who disagrees and presents their own “goal” (so to speak) and method of attainment; you also contradict yourself by criticizing anyone who references any sort of text as an example to support what they say, stating that it’s inappropriate to rely on texts, but then you yourself constantly post links to songs / videos as a means of illustrating your point, which, sorry to say, is exactly the same thing; finally, if someone points this all out to you, you don’t engage but rather become passive aggressive, send them all your love, tell them that you are happy for them and discontinue responding to them;

this serves to turn off the majority of people with whom you “communicate”, and while that’s as may be, if your point is to assist people to whatever you believe is the proper path, alienating them really isn’t going to get you far at all in that regard;

in fact, for whatever reason, you seem to cause controversy and conflict pretty much every where you post - yet you persist in the belief that you are 100% correct and that everyone else is wrong-minded;

at bottom, your presence here creates more confusion (to people who try to figure out what you are trying to say) and contention (with people who think you are incorrect for whatever reason); in fact, your posting here creates an environment which is the very antithesis of the clarity and agreement that you purport to advocate;

ok, you may now love me and dismiss me as per your usual m/o, ya big lug…[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1022315]if you have anything better to share on this particular topic then please share.
Otherwise, please dont waste the bandwidth of others off topic.[/QUOTE]

LOL - u r so predictable Hendrick, it’s not even funny - rather than speak to a valid asessment, u become the KFMF Posting Police - u can’t deal w people who don’t take u seriously and accept ur ever word, so instead u try to assuage r control feak tendencies and try to dictate other peoples behavior
<golf clap>

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1022308]1, English is not my language.

2, The topic is rare.

3, The bottom line is to help others to have a proper guide line so they are not screw.

If you could help to clarify what I post that is certainly great and appreciated. If you could present it much simple then me that is great.

However, there is no point to confuse others to argue for arguement shake. It is already a difficult world. What there is no need to make it more difficult and confusing for those who needs help.[/QUOTE]

I understand how you might presume I was attempting to set up an argument with you, since that is my history and I do love doing so, however:

-I was nicer than usual when I asked you to explain yourself more completely rather than ridicule you because, while I know what you mean, others, less familiar with your writing style might not. Since English is not your native language, I do not always expect you to perceive you are not being clear! Which is why I pointed it out to you, in order for you to make an attempt to be more clear!:slight_smile:

Privately aside…[SIZE=“4”]NO ONE ELSE READ THIS!: [/SIZE]Please don’t let it get around that I was in any way cordgial to you, I would hate to ruin a good run of fun!

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[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1022316]LOL - u r so predictable Hendrick, it’s not even funny - rather than speak to a valid asessment, u become the KFMF Posting Police - u can’t deal w people who don’t take u seriously and accept ur ever word, so instead u try to assuage r control feak tendencies and try to dictate other peoples behavior
<golf clap>[/QUOTE]

"I hereby grant and affirm the right of taai gihk yahn, presently, formerly and henceforth to freely and actively waste ‘other peoples’ bandwidth’ as he shall deem appropriate and/or necessary solely according to his conscience or for any other minuscule or magisterial reasons he deems appropriate and/or necessary including, but not limited to, for no apparent or in-apparent reasons at all for, but not limited to, the service of ridicule, harassment, humor, satire and for the purpose of, but not limited to, the wasting of copious amounts of other peoples’ time!

Further, I decree, presently, formerly and henceforth, that no person, organization or representative of another person or organization may at any time, for any reason, supersede the rights, privileges and responsibilities I have so granted to him from the distant mists of time unto perpetuity!"

[B]I so grant and affirm on this date:

June 27, 2010

Scott R. Brown, Esquire, Scalawag, Raconteur

Amen![/B]

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[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1022332]"I hearby grant and affirm the right of taai gihk yahn, presently, formerly and hencefore to freely and actively waste ‘other peoples’ bandwidth’ as he shall deem appropriate and/or necessary solely according to his conscience or for any other miniscule or magesterial reasons he deems appropriate and/or necessary including, but not limited to, for no apparent or inapparent reasons at all for, but not limited to, the service of ridicule, harrassment, humor, satire and for the purpose of, but not limited to, the wasting of copious amounts of other peoples’ time!

Further, I decree, presently, formerly and hencefore, that no person, organization or representative of another peron or organization may at any time, for any reason, supercede the rights, priveleges and responsiblities I have so granted to him from the distant mists of time unto perpetuity!"

[B]I so grant and affirm on this date:

June 27, 2010

Scott R. Brown, Esquire, Scalawag, Raconteur

Amen![/B][/QUOTE]

thank you <sniff>; thank you…