neat lil hypothetical . . .

alright, I’d like a few of the more experienced WC pacticioners and instructors especially to give their shot at this, and if anyone there has any real experience with this, your insight would be especially useful.

anyway here goes:

if you were to have a student that was really excited about the martial arts and wanted to learn something and came to you (a sifu) and asked for your advice on what MA to take up and if they really could do a good job at it, what would you do? by the way, this student is missing their left arm (a leg would be even more severe!). that would really mess up the way that wc is conventionally taught, which anyone in here could agree with. do you thin kthat it would really be worth it for them to take up wc or would you advise that they picked up something that didn’t depend so much on the use of their hands, like maybe tkd? and if you were to teach them, how would you do it?

it is really hard for me to picture teaching a one armed person wing chun by traditional means and expectig them to ever perform at anywhere near the level of someone of their same skill level. there are just too many holes. how would chisau work? you could have them practice with a student that just used on hand to level the terms, but as soon as that other hand came in, asta lasagna, don’t get any onya! I think that teaching them the system taht is based on a full healthy human body, you could get them to learn a great deal of technique, definately get them good enough to take on the average shmo (especially since they’d probably be underestimated as a cripple), but that they would never really be able to hold their own against their peers(wc students of similar skill, speed, strength, etc . . .) they’d just come up one fourth short.

however . . . . I think taht the same wing chun principles that are used to make a normal person fight with incredible power could be adapted to someone that only had three limbs. people hat have lived with disabilities for a while know their bodies very well. if you’ve ever shaken the hand of a healthy gyuy in a wheelchair, you’ll notice that they have a very good grip. I believe that it is easier for them to focus their energy, will, chi, etc to s specific part of their body becuse they have less to worry about, and their muscles strengthen to make up for the loss. it’s like the deaf guy having really good sight. so I’m interested in what way instructors would try to make a new system per say based on teh same principles. I’d imagine that footwork and stance would probably have to charge, maybe even some of the ‘don’t do’s’ like ‘don’t kick above the waist’ would be done away with. let me know what you guys think, this is kind of your chance to be creative.

and maybe all of this kind of thinking will help us learn to make wing chun adapt to our bodies as well, cause we’re all a little different, so I think being overly dogmatic makes us forget ourselves, and think that we’ll really be ‘the ideal kung fu machine!’

–kevin

Not a problem at all.

Much skill can be developed with single hand chi sau.

Yeah,and if they were missing their leg they could float and to single leg chi gerk…

IXIJoe KaveyIXI
I am Sharky’s main man…

If his purpose is self-defense, get him to suppliment wing chun with a stong leg based system such as TKD. The one-hand chi sau thing is very limited without the use of another hand…

Wing Chun is too centered on the arms and trapping techniques. Other styles you could get by easier with one arm because they use each individually. Wing Chun uses both in almost all techniques…

As you said, people with disabilities compensate by developing skills that non-disabled people don’t have. Often their skills are truly amazing and mind-boggling - creating beautiful paintings holding a brush in their mouth or between their toes, etc.

I’m a guitarist and so I’m interested in the technique of many of the great jazz, rock, blues and country guitarists. Django Reihardt was a Gypsy Belgian jazz guitarist with a truly amazing technique - blindingly fast runs, etc. It would be amazing for a person with the use of all their fingers to develop such a style, but he could only use 2 fingers of his left hand due to losing the use of his index and middle fingers during a fire at the age of 18.

Someone with one arm who was really determined to learn WC would probably compensate in the same way as Django Reinhardt, by developing Dan Chi Sao to a degree that non-disabled people would find amazing and hard to comprehend. Combined with further compensation in the form of footwork and kicks, etc, I wouldn’t be surprised if they could end up being just as formidable with their WC as just about any non-disabled WC practitioner.

Max

Yooby Yoody

I agree with Gluteus.

It would be interesting to see a one armed guy make a fool out of a two-handed. I’d certainly bank on the former.

Dan Chi Sau does not have to be as one typically learns it. It can have the same dynamics as with double hand chi sau.

Whipping hand is correct. Single chi sao can
create a good martial artist with one arm missing.
There is a fairly well known taiji person who has one hand and also holds his own. Paul Lam who helped introduce wing chun to the Uk had polio in his legs as a kid. he compensated with great
arm abilities and arm controls. I have a superb student who has very limited eyesight. Never underestimate the human spirit. Unfortunately
we are facing the one eyed Omar in Afghanistan.
In the 18th century Afghanistan was over-run by one eyed Ranjit Singh and his Sikh swordsmen.
Given all the hand and foot weapons of wing chun
it is a most adaptable art. A good student just has to find a good teacher.

Alot of advantages useing one arm!!

1.Reply to Emty cup: Wing chun is only limited by the way its tougth and the human mind… It doesnt need to be mixed with another system. Go and train with more instructors if you beleive this is so.

  1. A one armed person can use the advantage of surprise. An assilant will be quite surprised when a single armed fights agressively. Lap sau + jik dang gerk could be one solution to straight line punch. Alot of apps can be done, if you go for a pre contact whipe out.

  2. Wing chun isnt nessarely for fighting. People train for different causes. A one armed man could enjoy the training part without the need of thinking that much self defence.

Teq

Less is more
Short is long
Slow is fast
This is the key to all understanding.

  • Lao Tzu

yuan fen

what the fu(k?

strike!

yen hoi

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A one-armed fighter should not face their opponent squarely at close range. End of story.

  • WhippingCensored

I’m missing my right leg, and i really enjoy wing chun, i have no problem adapting at all. Give your student a chance, if they practice lots they will become as good as anyone with four limbs, maybe even better.

Censored

Niether should a two armed fighter.

Teq…that is why I said if his PURPOSE was foe self-defense it would help if he also trained in a system strong in leg work. Wing Chun is not strong in leg work. Fighting with one arm is a disadvantage. True, you can be good at it but I doubt anyone would argue that it is better than having TWO available hands…

WH ?

“what you talkin’ about Whippin’ hand”? (done in best young gary coldman voice

also to the origional poster, why would you start useing high kicks if you had one arm?

“Wing Chun is not strong in leg work.”

I’d have to disagree. Wing Chun is very strong on leg work. I’d say that, if trained properly, it’s more varied or just as varied as tae kwon do etc.

Dzu

WH: Tell us about your modified Wing Chun

So do you generally put one side forward, or move in and out, or just turn alot?

And don’t even think of saying “everything in its proper time”, I call bullsh*t on that. :wink:

I do whatever is necessary.

You’re too clever for me

And to maximize the simultaneous use of both arms, it is necessary to face your opponent squarely.

On Earth, people have one arm on each side of their body. What’s it like on your home planet?

Yes, that is the COMMON understanding of the way Wing Chun is supposed to be…