I’ve seen it too many times at my kwoon. The same situation I described. Usually my sifu broke it up before it too out of hand. I think thats the true reason for our 50% sparring, only a handfull of us had enough control to spar at anything above that.
I agree. But, if you don’t get past that point then you have a much lower chance of really getting an idea of what getting hit for real is like. control is the key and I’m harsh about people maintaining whatever level I have set.
IMO, the control issue is a sign of maturity. I agree with Oso, being in control of ones actions is #one, whether in real life, or Kicking a$$. We do alot of conditioning against each other and two-person material. Over time, and good guidance, you should learn control.
As for the thread, I`ve had my bell rung by both! Grew up in the inner city, so learned the street stuff and was lucky to have been taught by the Chinese, the Treasures.
I can honestly say that I have never thrown a punch in a rage. The other day while sparring I recieved a good boot to the face and the only person I was annoyed with was myself for not blocking it (the other guy was quite apologetic, it was only light contact sparring but we were both tired as hell)
My instructor even congratulated me on my composure- a lot of people would have gotten quite upset at taking a hit like that.
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Originally posted by Jook Lum
Hello again!The question is too basic,too many variables to give a simple answer.Probably not the answer you are looking for but still an answer. It is like asking -If a man with no arms fought a man with no legs who would win?
Naturally, the man with no arms. he could walk over and stomp the man with no arms into oblivion, and it would be VERY difficult for the legless man to move. The only way he’d stand a chance is if he had a gun or something
I personally don’t have a control problem, even when I’d take two or three shots to the face I wouldn’t get angry. Even after I warned them about the excessive contact. As for control of my fists, my whole time at the kwoon I threw punches at the face and only connected once early on in my training and it wasn’t even a tap. Needless to say, I felt like I had commited a cardinal sin. I quickly apologized and continued sparring. But I reiterate my point again, too many people at my kwoon have no control. They either get too crazy with their punches or get angry when accidently hit in a restricted area. Our sifu had us do an excersise for control. If we could throw 50 back fists, full force, at a wall without hitting it once then we were permitted to thow punches at the face. I think that is an excellent excercise, after smacking the wall a couple times you really concentrate on control.
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Originally posted by SevenStar
Naturally, the man with no arms. he could walk over and stomp the man with no arms into oblivion, and it would be VERY difficult for the legless man to move. The only way he’d stand a chance is if he had a gun or something
Dude. My bet goes to the legless man.
Go watch this and see where I’m coming from.
interesting anecdote:
I coached a junior high wrestling team once.
We were the visiting team and the home coach and I were getting together on the exhibition matches. He had a kid w/ no legs in the 119 weight class. I had a 119 pounder. I went back and talked to my kid about it and mostly talked about the maturity issue involved (junior high kids) and he was into it. Well, in my ignorance at the time I didn’t think about the fact that this 119 pound legless (gone from about mid thigh) kid had the frame of a 150-160 pounder. My kid won but not w/o a heck of a fight. The other kid got a standing ovation from both benches and the crowd and my kid got probably one of the best lessons of his life. Me too, for that matter.
I personally don’t have a control problem, even when I’d take two or three shots to the face I wouldn’t get angry. Even after I warned them about the excessive contact. As for control of my fists, my whole time at the kwoon I threw punches at the face and only connected once early on in my training and it wasn’t even a tap. Needless to say, I felt like I had commited a cardinal sin. I quickly apologized and continued sparring. But I reiterate my point again, too many people at my kwoon have no control. They either get too crazy with their punches or get angry when accidently hit in a restricted area. Our sifu had us do an excersise for control. If we could throw 50 back fists, full force, at a wall without hitting it once then we were permitted to thow punches at the face. I think that is an excellent excercise, after smacking the wall a couple times you really concentrate on control
your teacher should get those people under control then. Under my first sifu I had to take a blow to the abdomen if I lost control during sparring, either physically or mentally. These started off as backfists but became stronger strikes over time, I didn’t get it for a while;) This served the additional purpose of testing our breath control. Not necessarily a method for public schools but it worked for me.
I get on people for not striking as hard as the set control level, as well. Control is doing exactly what you want. If I’ve said ‘half contact’ then all strikes should be half contact or it’s not considered a focused strike for the purposes of the sparring match. Different parts of the body stay at a touch level: eyes, throat, groin, knees.
Oso,
No doubt! We had a kid with withered legs. He didn’t train hard enough and kept getting into academic trouble, but he was strong as all get out. A better work ethic probably would have made him a nightmare.
Yea, the guy was as bulging w/ upper body muscle as an 8th grader can get. Oddly, his upper legs (all he had) were pretty big too. He must have been using some special machine to work them. He was also a decent wrestler all things considered. He just couldn’t bridge though. 
My kid obviously couldn’t shoot on him so he had to accept the tie up and got thrown but he eventually reversed and pinned.
it was a very good experience for my team, they showed a lot of maturity that day.