Maybe computerize the whole thing. Have the fighters wear formfighting suits with the tracking balls on all the joints and key points. Then track their moves to control avatars on a big screen (until robotic avatars become available). That way onle pixels interact and nobody gets hurt.
In a fairness, the rules do state that any drawing back of the hand past the body (preperation for sau, kup, pow) is deemed excessive so the ref and judges did respond correctly for the event.
Since Choy lay fut uses the hand drawn back as a natural chamber position we are at a disadvantage for this type of competition.
as a competitior what i always had a problem with was that you had to be the most dominate and aggressive fighter to win but you weren’t supposed to hit/hurt the opponent.
no sweeps, no catching the kick, no throws. Were low kicks even allowed?
Rules were:
no face or back of head shots
kicks were allowed
sweep to front leg only
outside thigh kick only (no inside leg kicks at all)
no take downs
no sweeps
I mean WTF!!!
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1024084]Rules were:
no face or back of head shots
kicks were allowed
sweep to front leg only
outside thigh kick only (no inside leg kicks at all)
no take downs
no sweeps
I mean WTF!!![/QUOTE]
so, staring contests then? with the winner being the one who makes the best “i kill you” face? 
seriously though, I would encourage poeople to simply not support these kinds of tournaments. Don’t go and be vocal about why you aren’t going.
as the purse gets skinny, the real will show up. 
[QUOTE=Shaolindynasty;1024082]In a fairness, the rules do state that any drawing back of the hand past the body (preperation for sau, kup, pow) is deemed excessive so the ref and judges did respond correctly for the event.
Since Choy lay fut uses the hand drawn back as a natural chamber position we are at a disadvantage for this type of competition.
as a competitior what i always had a problem with was that you had to be the most dominate and aggressive fighter to win but you weren’t supposed to hit/hurt the opponent.[/QUOTE]
not acceptable. Bring this up at the judges meetings prior to the event.
I was at a tournament where my student was fighting. He threw been/sow, Gwa/cup combos and the ref stopped the fight to issue a warning. He said the punches were wild swings. I told him that these were key strikes in our style, and then asked him what style he was a Sifu in. He was from a similar style (Hung-Ga, CLF, Jow Ga) I told him that he of all people should be familiar with these strikes, as they are key strikes in his own chosen system. He shut up pretty quick.
Stick to your guns, otherwise you train one thing in class, and then have to drop all your techniques in the ring and just straight punch and hook, and rob your students of their opportunity.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1024100]
I was at a tournament where my student was fighting. He threw been/sow, Gwa/cup combos and the ref stopped the fight to issue a warning. He said the punches were wild swings. I told him that these were key strikes in our style, and then asked him what style he was a Sifu in. He was from a similar style (Hung-Ga, CLF, Jow Ga) I told him that he of all people should be familiar with these strikes, as they are key strikes in his own chosen system. He shut up pretty quick.
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of course, the obvious question, if he really was a “sifu” in one of those systems, why would you have to point that out to him? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1024105]of course, the obvious question, if he really was a “sifu” in one of those systems, why would you have to point that out to him? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
no argument there. Status quo.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1024100] otherwise you train one thing in class, and then have to drop all your techniques in the ring and just straight punch and hook, and rob your students of their opportunity.[/QUOTE]
This happens way too much!
I once trained with a sifu who changed everything to fit tournament type fighting. Everyone was a badly trained half a$$ kick boxer. Even then some of us still got DQ’d for BS reasons… It just goes hand and hand with those type of tourneys. It’s always something with them… just drop them and do San Da!
Greetings,
hskwarrior,
The next time you send your students to a tourney like that, bring a box of tampons! That was horrific.
Instead of jumping on the sanda/san shou bandwagon, why not hold your own Choi Li Fut Tournament? It can be open or invitational. That is the ONLY way you can keep it real and you will be respected for it. You already know what sh!t is out there. Make a difference for your students and your style. I think it would be mad cool to have your students exposed to specific styles through fighting and seminars year to year. And to top it off, it will be YOUR baby. You will be setting the standard for the next generation.
mickey
that would be nice. but with Tat Mau Wong, Doc Fai Wong, and Lily Lau…I don’t think it wise for my butt to get into that arena. thanks for your input.
Who says you have to get into their arena? Wasn’t that where your student got dissed? You are creating your OWN arena. Just start small and build. If you are friends with a few Sifu, start with them. I do not think this is a major stretch for you.
Basic suggestion for a small tournament:
Full contact tournament: Intermediate and advanced only. 3 weight divisions, 8 participants per division
Hand Form competition: Intermediate and advanced only. 6 to 8 participants per category
Weapon Form Competition: Same as Hand form competition
In each category, points are assigned to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place, so as to determine a Grand Champion (for advanced competitors only). To encourage fighting, the accumulations of first place wins in hand and weapon forms should not match nor exceed a first place in fighting.
mickey
i will consider that, thanks brother. I do think tournament standards needs an overhaul. this type of tourney is a dinosaur.
It’s tough to do full contact in CA
Sanshou is illegal here. The SF ICMAC ran something they called sport light sanshou, or something along those lines, I’m not sure on the exact phrasing - which was tantamount to point sparring. If I remember the term, I’ll post it.
I was there on Friday. Sorry I missed you, hskwarrior. It was such a beautiful weekend in S.F. that I couldn’t bring myself to spend it indoors, even if it was the Marriot.
GENE,
sorry i missed you too. its cool. i think we’ll train for san shou then go to where ever we can to fight in it. This is the reason why we mainly stuck to street fighting.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1024368]GENE,
sorry i missed you too. its cool. i think we’ll train for san shou then go to where ever we can to fight in it. This is the reason why we mainly stuck to street fighting.[/QUOTE]
didn’t realize street fighting was a venue
oh yeah…the streets are a venue for the ring fighter rejects…
It’s too bad they did not recognize the technique. Seemed like the other guy was barely clipped, but stumbled around a lot.
Oddly enough, I remember competing in the older Tat Mau Wong tourneys in the '90s, and remember them allowing a lot more contact in the continuous sparring than that. I even remember one of Tat Wong’s top students knocked another guy out with either a sow choy or a kup choy, and the guy was OUT for a long time; his legs even started convulsing after several minutes. But they didn’t disqualify Tat Wong’s student. In fact, they gave him the match. That was only one instance.
But I do remember some selective DQing going on back then.
I think that’s on a tape I have I recorded off Satellite years ago. Tomazaki ko’d his opponent but I don’t remember if it was a sow choy or what.
Greetings,
Can you simply do something the traditional way, like a closed door tournament? Don’t tell me those things don’t happen anymore.
mickey
If I were in the audience and saw that, I’d be booing.
Sorry but that kind of crap is pathetic, throwing up the dude who can’t stand up like he somehow won.
Truly pathetic.