This kind of low function childish insult does not deserve a reply. I hate to tell you, Frank, but you’ll get old one day like me. So it is either the blue pills or the lian kung fa. There is still time.
This kind of low function childish insult does not deserve a reply. I hate to tell you, Frank, but you’ll get old one day like me. So it is either the blue pills or the lian kung fa. There is still time.
:eek: What? What did i lie about? many people your age start to have issues that weren’t present prior to that age. Like me, I’m 43 next week, and i’m sufferin from something that hits men in their forties. and it doesn’t have a blue pill to resolve it either. LOL
So you begin to have crazy ideas and not even 43, is this what you are trying to tell me?
XJ:
Who was Lee Song? I am guessing a staff expert of some kind. Does our staff methods have any connection with baat kwa kwun as that has always seemed to be a staffing style that influenced various southern styles.
Who was Lee Song? I am guessing a staff expert of some kind. Does our staff methods have any connection with baat kwa kwun as that has always seemed to be a staffing style that influenced various southern styles.
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sound like water margin. but could be wrong.
Frank that is Wu Song, different person - as in the form Wu Song Breaks Manacles.
told you hahaha could be wrong. i’m on pain meds right now for allow me some slippage haha
ps. Lee’s middle name was Wu. LOL…but i did say “SOUNDS LIKE” hahaha
Joseph, don’t speak. you’re a coward for not answer a simple question. good at pointing fingers but i think you know you’re weak for that.
Frank, no biggie. I know you were just trying to help.
XJ:
Who was Lee Song? I am guessing a staff expert of some kind. Does our staff methods have any connection with baat kwa kwun as that has always seemed to be a staffing style that influenced various southern styles.
Lee Song Li Sou) was a legendary figure Monk Got Yuan met in Lanzhou and together they influenced the development of Shaolin Kung Fu during the Jin Yuan period12241232. Lee was famous for his staff and CLF claimed his lineage through Choy Fook.
Extrajoseph, can I ask you where does the northern influence of CLF come from? There are many northern forms and methods, not to mention that all traditional southern fists are shortfist in origin, so its undeniable that there is Northern influence in the system. Could you tell me what is your understanding of this, please?
Hi Soulfist,
The “northern” (meaning long-fist or long-range techniques) influence in CLF came mainly from Monk Choy Fook, who went to settle in Lo Fo Shan in Guangdong from Fujian. He was not a southerner and would have been influenced by Songshan Shaolin Kung Fu in his own training. Out of the 3 teachers, Chan Heung followed Choy Fook the longest, so CLF came to be known as “Northern Shaolin done by the Southerners”.
Appreciate the response Joseph! So Choy Fuk practiced “northern shaolin” from Songshan? That would mean that the “choy ga” of CLF is not referring to the style of the same name but to Choi Fuk’s kung fu.
I saw that he learned from 5 teachers: Gok Yuen Monk , Yat Gwai Monk , Lei Sou , Baak Yuk Fung and Choi Gau Yi . Any idea as to what type of kung fu they practiced?
Im asking about this as there is talk in Hong Kong now saying that CLF was either influenced by Tibetan Lama Pai, or by Northern PiGua Zhang. And by northern I mean the long-arm influence yes.
[QUOTE=soulfist;1127617]Appreciate the response Joseph! So Choy Fuk practiced “northern shaolin” from Songshan? That would mean that the “choy ga” of CLF is not referring to the style of the same name but to Choi Fuk’s kung fu.
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Hi Soulfist,
That is what I was trying to tell Frank, “Choy Ga” in this context (CLF history) referred to the skills passed down by Choy Fook, “Choy Gar” as a style or a school of martial art in Guangdong is very different.
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I saw that he learned from 5 teachers: Gok Yuen Monk , Yat Gwai Monk , Lei Sou , Baak Yuk Fung and Choi Gau Yi . Any idea as to what type of kung fu they practiced?
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Choy Fook could not have learned directly from the names you mentioned, they lived before his time, but he can trace his martial art from their lineage because they were associated with the Shaolin Temple. According to “The History of Choy Lee Fut” written by Chan Yiu-Chi, Choy Fook learned from the Choy Gau-Yi line and Choy Gau-Yi in turn can trace his lineage to Yat Gwai Monk and Baak Yuk Fung you mentioned.
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Im asking about this as there is talk in Hong Kong now saying that CLF was either influenced by Tibetan Lama Pai, or by Northern PiGua Zhang. And by northern I mean the long-arm influence yes.[/QUOTE]
One can say some of the CLF techniques can be viewed as similar to Tibetan Lama Pai, and Northern Pi Gua Zhang and since they can all trace their origin somehow to the Shaolin Temple, it is not that surprising, but there are also distinct characters and flavors to each school.
[QUOTE=extrajoseph;1127628]Choy Fook could not have learned directly from the names you mentioned, they lived before his time, but he can trace his martial art from their lineage because they were associated with the Shaolin Temple. According to “The History of Choy Lee Fut” written by Chan Yiu-Chi, Choy Fook learned from the Choy Gau-Yi line and Choy Gau-Yi in turn can trace his lineage to Yat Gwai Monk and Baak Yuk Fung you mentioned.[/QUOTE]
So they were “general shaolin” practitioners? Anything you can tell me regarding Yat Gwai and Baak Yuk Fung in terms of their styles?
[QUOTE=extrajoseph;1127628]One can say some of the CLF techniques can be viewed as similar to Tibetan Lama Pai, and Northern Pi Gua Zhang and since they can all trace their origin somehow to the Shaolin Temple, it is not that surprising, but there are also distinct characters and flavors to each school.[/QUOTE]
Not really interested in similarities, as this style can be similar to that style from a certain angle and what not. Im just after “which style influenced and opened CLF up”!
Could you tell me what province is Loh Fu Mountain where Chan Heung learned from Choi Fuk?
On the other side of the tale Jeung Yim learned on Baat Pai Mountain, a style called “fut ga” according to legend, and history intersected here when the founder of Hung Fut called Lei Jou Fun also learned on Baat Pai Mountain a style called “fut ga”. Though Jeung Yim was said to have learned in Jaap Gin Temple , where as Lei Jou Fun was said to have learned in Ching Wah Temple … not able to comment.
Lama Pai came up as historically that is the only style with the label (formally) of “fut ga”, not to mention the long fist similarity, and the spread of Lama in the south to other styles such as Hung Ga.
Im not interested on the CLF history debate as Im not qualified, but this topic Im looking for more input on, so thank you for what ever you can offer!
[QUOTE=soulfist;1127644]So they were “general shaolin” practitioners? Anything you can tell me regarding Yat Gwai and Baak Yuk Fung in terms of their styles?
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Hi Soulfist,
Yes, they were all Shaolin practitioners with their own specialties. Baak Yuk Fung came from Monk Yat Gwai’s lineage and according to what Choy Fook said (recorded in the Chan family archive), he specialized in Qigong and the long sword and he also expanded and developed the techniques of the Five Animals. The CLF Lohan Qigong forms, the sword forms and the Five Animal forms can be traced back to his influence.
Not really interested in similarities, as this style can be similar to that style from a certain angle and what not. Im just after “which style influenced and opened CLF up”!
CLF is not influenced (or open up) by any particular style or styles, but rather by three particular people: Chan Yuan-Wu, Lee Yau-Shan and Choy Fook and because they can all trace their origin back to Shaolin, we can definitely say CLF is Shaolin Kung Fu.
Could you tell me what province is Loh Fu Mountain where Chan Heung learned from Choi Fuk?
Loh Fu Mountain is located in the Guangdong province, here is link for your interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Luofu
On the other side of the tale Jeung Yim learned on Baat Pai Mountain, a style called “fut ga” according to legend, and history intersected here when the founder of Hung Fut called Lei Jou Fun also learned on Baat Pai Mountain a style called “fut ga”. Though Jeung Yim was said to have learned in Jaap Gin Temple , where as Lei Jou Fun was said to have learned in Ching Wah Temple … not able to comment.
I am not able to comment either, because “Fut Ga” (the Family of Buddha) can mean many things and these places you mentioned about Jeung Yim cannot be located. I still have trouble trying to figure out, if Jeung Yim learned something different and special, what are they that got passed down to us?
Lama Pai came up as historically that is the only style with the label (formally) of “fut ga”, not to mention the long fist similarity, and the spread of Lama in the south to other styles such as Hung Ga.
Im not interested on the CLF history debate as Im not qualified, but this topic Im looking for more input on, so thank you for what ever you can offer!
I can only offer you information on the history of CLF, I don’t know much about Hung Ga, Hung Fut or Lama Pai.
Hskwarrior :
The master who are performing the Northern Monkey form is Teddy Lai do you know him ? Because he is also Hung Sing CLF . I 'v read his lineage descend from Leung Mang. I think his Sifu was Master Chan Shing Biu a disciple of Leung Mang.
Do you can give me some info about Leung Mang and Chan Shing Biu ? I really appreciate your help.
Thank you very much .
Just as I thought, this crazy idea of Jeung Yim learned from Ching Cho in Jaap Gin Temple , Baat Pai Mountain came from Chui Kwon-Yuen, Chan Kam-Fai’s Sifu:
http://www.jgwx.com/youhua/News/201051492237.html
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Interesting, the article is filed under or The Legends of Chinese Martial Arts and not the History of Chinese Martial Arts. These Shaolin MA people knew better.
According to Chui Kwon-Yuen, Ching Cho taught Jeung Yim (“Kong Men Nei Wai Ba Gua Quan” - The Internal and External Bak Kwa Kuen of the Empty Door Style.), yet Futsan don’t have any CLF Bak Kwa forms, but King Mui has them.
According to Chui, now it is the two of them (Chan Heung and Jeung Yim) made up CLF with Choy Ga Kuen, Lee Ga Kuen and Kong Men Kuen !
Kong Men (Empty Door) has never been associated with CLF before, until Chui Kwon-Yuen came along made up this new legend.
Boy, it gets more crazy everyday!
The master who are performing the Northern Monkey form is Teddy Lai do you know him ? Because he is also Hung Sing CLF
He told me he was connected to Lee Koon Hung’s lineage. they use our name, but thats another story in itself.
I will see if i can dig up any info. i’ll try.
Thank you for your answer. I saw his forms and THEY don’t looks like the Lee Koon Hung Style . Here is a compilation of his CLF :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EozIp-v1tZ4&feature=channel_video_title
Thank you for your answer. I saw his forms and THEY don’t looks like the Lee Koon Hung Style . Here is a compilation of his CLF :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EozIp...el_video_title
facaodotigre:
The Hoi Jong that he is doing isn’t a hung sing hoi jong used by the Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon at all. Its a Chan Family Hoi Jong with some extra flavor in it. its not a form found in Jeung Yims lineage. sorry bro,