Hello
I just found this form on youtuve and i am ask if this is an original Choy LI Fut form or the form is made up for this instructor ?
Anybody know the history about MOnkey inside Southern CHoy Li Fut ?
Here is the link :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGkBc52ajEI&feature=channel_video_title
There is a monkey form that comes from the Chan Family CLF as it is one of the 10 individual animal forms.
Not part of the lineage of CLF I practice but it is a CLF set.
Don’t do you think this form has a lot of Wushu Modern acting for a tradiotional and old form ? In comparition with Tai Shing Pek Kwar monkey forms this form have only a few combat techniques the rest is only acting.
I am not sure if this is the same set that Sifu Chan Yong Fa teaches or not. I am not crazy about purely acting like an animal as I don’t really feel that is the purpose of animal forms. This form is a bit odd and not something that intrigues me although I have nothing against the performance itself. I find the tai shing pek kwar monkey forms more technique oriented but in general, monkey forms have a bit too much acting in them for me. I liken them a bit to drunken forms.
This appears to be the monkey staff form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MF_0vuoxb6I
It has a bunch of monkey acting plus some normal type staff stuff.
CLF is well-known for its staff, the monkey staff is just one of them, here is another one from the same Polish School (a girl this time), the Jin Gang Bang or Gum Kong Pang in Cantonese (Bang is a short staff, Jin Gang means Buddha’s warrior attendant) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-0awIN7p4w&feature=related
When it comes to the CLF Monkey form, the best one I saw was nearly 30 years ago when Cheh Yong-Fa first came to Australia and gave a demo in Lawrence Lee’s school. His size and temperament is best suit to a monkey but unfortunately I have not seen it done since.
The CLF Monkey form might look showy but in it there are many cunning little moves that will take you by surprise and that is the idea like the drunken form, they do the damage in the unexpected formation and the timing of the defense and attacking moves, but I am not sure if you can use it effectively in a tournament fight but in the street it can be deadly surprising.
I’ve never seen anyone and highly doubt drunken form regardless if its CLF or not is going to be effective in any realistic fighting ring or the street.
Hi Frank,
That is probably because you have never learn to do any drunken boxing before. It is not to be used all the time, just one or two surprises to gain the edge in a fight (and not like Jacky Chan). It is real when you have a good teacher to show you how it is done, but it is just my point of view.
Hi,
I agree with frank. Drunken boxing is only meant for a demonstration. if you have some video of it actually working in realistic combat I’d really really love to see it. do you have any? or know of a link?
Show me one single video of CLF Drunken style being used equally as effective as the rest of CLF techniques are.
t is not to be used all the time, just one or two surprises to gain the edge in a fight (and not like Jacky Chan).
Show me it works. Until then, its just a form. or is it really one of the deadly ones LOLOLOL
It is real when you have a good teacher to show you how it is done, but it is just my point of view.
Name me one teacher in todays society that has ever used drunken CLF in combat and be able to prove it.
[QUOTE=Snipsky;1126928]Hi,
I agree with frank. Drunken boxing is only meant for a demonstration. if you have some video of it actually working in realistic combat I’d really really love to see it. do you have any? or know of a link?[/QUOTE]
This is not exactly how it is done, but with a bit of hind-sight you can see it can be done. One or two moves is all one needs, not to fight behaving like a drunk all the time but fight with the “spirit” of a drunk. The same goes for the monkey or the snake, otherwise it becomes a joke.
This is not exactly how it is done, but with a bit of hind-sight you can see it can be done. One or two moves is all one needs, not to fight behaving like a drunk all the time but fight with the “spirit” of a drunk. The same goes for the monkey or the snake, otherwise it becomes a joke.
you want to elaborate on that? just does someone fight like a drunk but not like a drunk? I’ve always seen a drunk person getting that butts kicked.
ps i know about the animals and not having to actually act like one. thats not an issue for me.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1126935]Show me one single video of CLF Drunken style being used equally as effective as the rest of CLF techniques are.
Show me it works. Until then, its just a form. or is it really one of the deadly ones LOLOLOL.
Name me one teacher in todays society that has ever used drunken CLF in combat and be able to prove it.[/QUOTE]
Would you believe I used it once against a taxi driver when I was really drunk? No, of course not! Then may be Tai Sheng Pak Kwa’s Geng De-Hai and his disciple Chan Sau-Chung can do better with their Drunken Monkey. :
Sure, it is not an easy technique to use CLF or otherwise but it does not mean it cannot not be done at all. This guy is pretty good at Drunken Monkey as well:
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ps i know about the animals and not having to actually act like one. thats not an issue for me.[/QUOTE]
Then the same applies to drunken forms, you don’t act like one, but fight like one. A drunk has no sense and no proper timing and that is the winning edge, in spirit and not in kind.
Speaking of Gan Dak Hoi and Chan Sau Chung, one of Chan Sifu’s top students, Chow Keurng will be coming to our school and memorial demo next month. I’ll ask him what he thinks about drunken.
I am kind of with XJ on this, the concept of acting drunken when everyone else knows you are not is utterly stupid but there are techniques from sets like joi baat sin kuen that could be used albeit without the Shaw Brothers & Jackie Chan acting.
This is all differentiating form from function and admitting certain show aspects are useless.
Would you believe I used it once against a taxi driver when I was really drunk? No, of course not! Then may be Tai Sheng Pak Kwa’s Geng De-Hai and his disciple Chan Sau-Chung can do better with their Drunken Monkey. :
actually, you don’t know what i’d believe. if i knew you, could see how you look, judge your true character i’d know if you would be effective using drunken style or not. see, if you are a fighter, and are street smart, you’d never allow yourself to get so drunk that you lose the advantage. you would be intoxicated, but never fall down drunk. a fighter needs to know his surroundings so he needs to be sharp.
I’m not saying you can’t use CLF while you’re drunk, myself, i’ve been drunk and used my CLF in clubs. I didn’t have to learn the drunken form to use CLF drunk.
Here is the monkey king from our footage…he does the form at the end shows some techniques. where is the scratching and stuff?
Now that is some monkey. When I heard CLF had a monkey form my immediate reaction was…why? It doesn’t seem to me to be an animal that blends well with our style. No disrespect meant to anyone and I am sure Chan Sifu does a great monkey form but it just never seemed to fit CLF to me at least.
May be you can see more scratching stuff here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSMulrFkYII&feature=related
May be not, he does it so quickly.
Now that is some monkey. When I heard CLF had a monkey form my immediate reaction was…why? It doesn’t seem to me to be an animal that blends well with our style. No disrespect meant to anyone and I am sure Chan Sifu does a great monkey form but it just never seemed to fit CLF to me at least.
I will always feel he is the eternal monkey king. no one can surpass him. he’s too believable
The videos posted are simply 95% wushu style monkey. They have little to do with actual authentic monkey style. Chan Sau Chung’s style, at least what he openly shares, is about 80% fighting/20% mimicking. The style Gino Belfiore teaches is 98% fighting/2% mimicking.
The CLF monkey form would be great for demonstrations, but not much else.