May be you can see more scratching stuff here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSMul...eature=related
May be not, he does it so quickly.
where is his application to it? oh yeah, i posted that already.
[QUOTE=CLFNole;1127041]Now that is some monkey. When I heard CLF had a monkey form my immediate reaction was…why? It doesn’t seem to me to be an animal that blends well with our style. No disrespect meant to anyone and I am sure Chan Sifu does a great monkey form but it just never seemed to fit CLF to me at least.[/QUOTE]
This doesn’t feel like CLF either, but it is: Dragon Baqua, which are both abstract concepts:
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1127047]The videos posted are simply 95% wushu style monkey. They have little to do with actual authentic monkey style. Chan Sau Chung’s style, at least what he openly shares, is about 80% fighting/20% mimicking. The style Gino Belfiore teaches is 98% fighting/2% mimicking.
The CLF monkey form would be great for demonstrations, but not much else.[/QUOTE]
Well, it was done for a demonstration by a beginner. In the hand of a seasoned master, the CLF Monkey form looks different.
This doesn’t feel like CLF either, but it is: Dragon Baqua, which are both abstract concepts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xPmn...eature=related
its got CLF all over it what are you talking about? thats kinda a newer form it seems like.
Well, it was done for a demonstration by a beginner. In the hand of a seasoned master, the CLF Monkey form looks different.
what do you have that will back that up?
Oh this explains everything…
This is one of the animal forms of Choy Li Fut. Of the different Monkey forms in the Plum Blossom International Federation, this one is called the “Monkey Steals the Peach” form.
The form is based on the movements of the monkey and the imaginative elements of the story the Monkey King. The Monkey King was an invincible fighter and in this form, he has sneaked into the garden of heaven and comes upon a magical peach that takes 9,000 years to grow and ripen. It is a prized fruit and only for the guests attending the heavenly banquet. The fruit was said to allow the person who eats it to live eternally with heaven.
The monkey does not realize that it is about to do something wrong and only wants to get rid of his hunger pangs. So, when he spies the fruit, he eats it and gets into very big trouble. He is pursued by the guards who protect the peach and the monkey must fight them to get away.
the original video in question seems to be nothing more than a choreographed play. not intended to be combative.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1127053]its got CLF all over it what are you talking about? thats kinda a newer form it seems like.
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Looks new because it is a very old form.
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what do you have that will back that up?[/QUOTE]
Ask Chen Yong-Fa for a demonstration?
Ask Chen Yong-Fa for a demonstration?
i asked you. got nothin to back it up with huh?
Not me, I am not good at the Monkey form, have you ever try it? You would look good, I am sure.
Not me, I am not good at the Monkey form, have you ever try it? You would look good, I am sure.
then your words blow with the wind. tisk tisk.
no, monkey forms are not part of my lineage. just yours. although we have monkey techniques with our staff…there are no monkey forms found in fut san hung sing choy lee fut.
Then you have never done the Monkey, but you’ll know all about it. tisk tisk.
Then you have never done the Monkey, but you’ll know all about it. tisk tisk
you can keep your plays/operas on the monkey. we will stick to whats useful.
If plays/operas are not useful why are you watching the tube all day long?
If plays/operas are not useful why are you watching the tube all day long?
I don’t watch tv. how do you know i do? are you spying on me? you prevert
XJ:
At some point don’t you think CLF added too many forms? Loong Ying Baat Kwa, Tai Gik Kuen, Mo Gik Kuen…I just wonder why?
Dragon Baat Kwa was a very famous form from Fu Chen Sung and I believe falls under the Mo Dang arts. Then you have the other two which are “internal” styles/forms if you will.
The CLF Dragon Baat Kwa lacks the baat kwa circle and footwork and while it did have some palming it didn’t have baat kwa’s type of palming.
I guess my question is are they just borrowig names or were they trying to attempt to combine CLF foundation with principles from other arts?
On the evidence of other forms with famous names, such as Gung Gi Fook Fu, I’d say it’s just the names (TBF, this is a pretty common practice in Kung Fu “Oh yeah, we’ve got that one”)
YEah but in the case of gung gee fook fu kuen wasn’t the actual hung gar form brought into CLF and given a CLF feel and flavor?
We don’t do this set so I don’t know for sure but I have seen a couple of CLF people do it and it is very close to the hung gar set.
YEah but in the case of gung gee fook fu kuen wasn’t the actual hung gar form brought into CLF and given a CLF feel and flavor?
this is my understanding as well.
No, I know Gung Gi Fook Fu and it’s a completely different form. At most you might say that a CLF guy once saw someone doing the Hung Gar form and thought “hey, I’d like a form a bit like that”, but really it’s got way more in common with Sup Ji Kau Da and Ping Kuen than it does with the Hung Gar version. The form structure is completely different.
That video of the kid in the CLF Tshirt doing the Lam Sai Wing GGFF is a red herring.
[QUOTE=CLFNole;1127087]XJ:
I guess my question is are they just borrowig names or were they trying to attempt to combine CLF foundation with principles from other arts?[/QUOTE]
Hi CLFNole
Choy Fook spent many years in Lo Fo Shan, which is a Taoist sacred mountain with many Taoist temples and monks there, so he would have been influenced by Taoist thinking as well as Buddhist. Hence the source of these names.