Here’s at least one case of a karate guy winning a multiple attacker scenario involving guns using a number of methods scoffed at by many in the mma crowd…
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004033237,00.html
Can anyone find any cases where a mma fighter had similar success? Or is mma simply too outdated, with its dependence on wrestling and rash guards?
Hmmmmm, your not familiar with ‘the SUN’ or the lower end of the UK press scale are you?
Ancient chinese proverb: One who believes everything he reads is better off not reading at all.
In other words, if you think you can take karate and beat five guys with guns, you are strongly deluded.
You say that, but a friend of mine has a TKD teacher who is an animal.
Now I only have this on a second hand hear-say basis but this guy apears to have beaten up 5 guys who attacked him with a base ball bat. He blocked a swing from the bat that broke his arm, but from there on in he kicked ass.
Now I know that this sounds unreal but this guy has a huge reputation in this city for how tough he is and how tough his class is.
About three years ago in Inglewood, CA, two guys with guns broke into a wreslter’s home. He took one of the guns away and killed one guy and wounded the other.
Isnt the Sun, the newspaper that has topless women on the cover. the Sun is the equivelant of the Globe or National Inquire.
No, the topless chicks are on Page 3. Hence their title “Page 3 Girls.”
Sad but true.
In other words, if you think you can take karate and beat five guys with guns, you are strongly deluded.
I don’t think anybody takes a martial art setting out to take on 5 armed thugs, but somehow judoka, karateka, wrestlers and boxers do and sometimes even win. Oddly even untrained people come out with a win in very bad situations.
Originally posted by Liokault
Hmmmmm, your not familiar with ‘the SUN’ or the lower end of the UK press scale are you?
I need not let facts get in the way of my forum activities.
See this is the problem…
Its very easy to say I know this guy/guys who did such and such, read such and such an account.
How do we EMPIRICALLY study the effectiveness of mma/tma? This means you would need AT LEAST 100 case studies. Could we look at the entire overall population of mma/tma practictioners, even in just one city?
Re: See this is the problem…
Iblis, your problem has no bearing whatsoever on my training. I do not need to know which martial art is empirically effective to be able to effectively kick ass, or as has also happened, effectively get my ass kicked.
as mat seeeeems to be getting at, the best gauge of survival – the amount of fight in the fighter.
100% Pure Correctness
RTB has pwned the correct with a hedonistic drunken monkey dim mak from the karma sutra wu dan secrect temple scroll. Training in any fighting art gives you an edge of preparedness to be sure. Still there’s much to be said for the adrenaline rush, picking up whatever’s lying around ie: bricks, sticks, etc. You can know 100 different ways to beat dat azz, but if you freeze up, or have never practiced being hit, you’re gone. Those who have been in a real fight know that it’s fast, ugly, and irractic. The real thing bears no resemblance to any ring match, or God forbid…the movies and tv. Unfortunately I know 'cause I’ve been the recipiant of a fairly decent azz whoopin. I may still get my azz beat today, but I can withstand some pretty decent punishment and I know for sure the other guy will know I was there. 
You guys just arent as hardcore as texans…
Last year here, some unarmed dude beat the hell out of 4 cops, then took a gun from 1 of them and shot 2 of them.
Cant disarm my ass. Cops are “trained” at fighting mildly as well.
no matter how much you want to believe it, there is no way an unarmed fighter can defeat five men with guns that are trying to shoot you and are not mentally impaired (james bond movies nonwithstanding). martial arts can make you better at defending yourself, but they cannot make you invincible. that is one thing that i think many of you need to realize.
Re: You guys just arent as hardcore as texans…
Originally posted by Meat Shake
Last year here, some unarmed dude beat the hell out of 4 cops, then took a gun from 1 of them and shot 2 of them.
Cant disarm my ass. Cops are “trained” at fighting mildly as well.
If that is true, which I doubt, it still shows nothing. If he beat the hell out of the cops and THEN took a gun from them, that shows that the cops probably were not using his gun or else he would already have been dead. They were probably trying to bludgeon him into submission, but he resisted and those 1/100000 odds kicked in and he won.
Its not very wise to assume such things are impossible. For you or me feasible? No. Does that mean it cannot happen? Nope.
As for that being true - go dig through gosanantonio.com, or expressnews.com and find the article, I dont feel like it. The SAPD was mourning the 1 year anniversary of the deaths last month. I was right down the street when it happened. Was at dennys on 410 and broadway, san antonio, texas, january of 2003.
No, none of the cops were trying to use their guns, until he started kicking the **** out of all 4 of them. The man was “untrained”. One of the cops pulls a gun in the middle of the fray, ol dude takes it and starts unloading on the cops.
Can anybody answer if guns are so hard to take away from someone why gun retention is taught? Anybody?
Originally posted by rubthebuddha
as mat seeeeems to be getting at, the best gauge of survival – the amount of fight in the fighter.
Seeeems my arse!
What I was saying is as you said, and this:
Anyone with reasonable experience of full contact and other practical aspects to a training regimen and/or street/bar exp should be able to tell good from bad without the use of both hands, a flashlight, and a bunch of never-gonna-be-accurate empirical nonsense.
Iblis is suffering from western empirical scientific method putting a sleeper hold on the correct of his common sense. Assuming he has some.
I know from experience that when I’m attacked I don’t very often resort to the verbal defence of: “Excuse me sir, you do realize I’m trained in the seventh most lethal martial art on the planet.” Science has its place, and it aint in an asskickin!
MAT
Science has its place, and it aint in an asskickin!
The Atom bomb would like to disagree with you. He has his friend Hiroshima to back him up.