[QUOTE=bawang;1253210]mma is the best thing that happened to kung fu. anybody that complains and miss the good ol days are aging hippy nerd poosy.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with this.
[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1253164]it is the opposite in reality, but I like that name tightly whitey cause in china cause of our size it fits tightly ,you know with the women there and all[/QUOTE]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecwRObqxUQ8
IS YOU LOL
[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1253206]I like your business model, and your open door policy. By removing the necessity of student income in making overhead, do you find you attract those more willing to go hard, at least more so than other TCMA schools? Or rather, do you find you can go harder without losing too much of what would otherwise be a timid student base, in favor of those more willing to come in and bang?[/QUOTE]
First, my student base is limited. I only take students age 13 and up. I feel that what I teach is inappropriate for children. I also limit some material to ages 18 and above.
Second, I limit the number of students that I take at any one time. I teach EVERY class personally and work hands on with each student individually. Not really something one can easily do with a larger class.
Third, every student is told at the time that they join they I will receive payment in their sweat. Train hard, accept bitter or leave! I don’t need students who will be an embarrassment to me or the art. So, yes my students train hard or I ask them to leave. And yes, I have told individuals to leave.
My students are quite diverse in why they come. Most desire self-defense, some also are interested in fitness and philosophy. Regardless of why they come, every student must do conditioning, a minimum number of forms (I only require five at most) and sparring. We spar probably five out of eight classes. Here are our sparring rules:
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Students may wear as much gear as they desire. Mouth guards, cups, MMA gloves, and head gear with shield are required.
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Punching, kicking, gouging, locking, throwing and grappling are permitted to everywhere except the neck, knees and back.
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Grabbing may be done limit-lessly to any part of the body. We are a mantis school after all.
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Everyone spars everyone else regardless of sex or weight class.
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If you learn a weapon, you will spar with that weapon versus any other weapon that I choose.
No other kung fu school that I know of in Northeastern Ohio spars with the same open rule set that we do. NONE! If another does, I hope that they correct me here.
Finally, two kung fu schools that I believe deserve recognition here: Ho Chun (Gene Chicoine’s shuaijiao school) and the Shaolin Kung Fu Institute (Gino Belfiore/John Ervin) are two of the toughest kung fu schools in Northeastern Ohio and definitely stand out as schools that represent true fighting TCMA.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1253196]Why can’t the TCMA striking art systems also use this model to develop the striking skill?
Do we always have to start our TCMA training from this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvF6r6DOvc
or from this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTbbzgjJZA[/QUOTE]
Not all TCMA start from forms.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1253196]Why can’t the TCMA striking art systems also use this model to develop the striking skill?
Do we always have to start our TCMA training from this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvF6r6DOvc
or from this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTbbzgjJZA[/QUOTE]
Study this form closely.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1253213]First, my student base is limited. I only take students age 13 and up. I feel that what I teach is inappropriate for children. I also limit some material to ages 18 and above.
Second, I limit the number of students that I take at any one time. I teach EVERY class personally and work hands on with each student individually. Not really something one can easily do with a larger class.
Third, every student is told at the time that they join they I will receive payment in their sweat. Train hard, accept bitter or leave! I don’t need students who will be an embarrassment to me or the art. So, yes my students train hard or I ask them to leave. And yes, I have told individuals to leave.
My students are quite diverse in why they come. Most desire self-defense, some also are interested in fitness and philosophy. Regardless of why they come, every student must do conditioning, a minimum number of forms (I only require five at most) and sparring. We spar probably five out of eight classes. Here are our sparring rules:
-
Students may wear as much gear as they desire. Mouth guards, cups, MMA gloves, and head gear with shield are required.
-
Punching, kicking, gouging, locking, throwing and grappling are permitted to everywhere except the neck, knees and back.
-
Grabbing may be done limit-lessly to any part of the body. We are a mantis school after all.
-
Everyone spars everyone else regardless of sex or weight class.
-
If you learn a weapon, you will spar with that weapon versus any other weapon that I choose.
No other kung fu school that I know of in Northeastern Ohio spars with the same open rule set that we do. NONE! If another does, I hope that they correct me here.
Finally, two kung fu schools that I believe deserve recognition here: Ho Chun (Gene Chicoine’s shuaijiao school) and the Shaolin Kung Fu Institute (Gino Belfiore/John Ervin) are two of the toughest kung fu schools in Northeastern Ohio and definitely stand out as schools that represent true fighting TCMA.[/QUOTE]
Those sparring sessions sound awesome. Can you post some video?
[QUOTE=bawang;1253212]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecwRObqxUQ8
IS YOU LOL[/QUOTE]
The funny thing about that video is I hear a little Chinese in there. The part where they ask him if he had one or two girlfriends sounded like it was in Chinese.
[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1253152]I was in a barns and noble yesterday in long island new York. first time I have been back in the states in 5 years. the first thing I did was go right to the sports section of the magazine stand, and to my surprise no kung fu tai chi magazine, about three mma mags and a grappling mag. then latter to the martial art book section, I think I saw two or three kung fu books at least.
then I met my first kung fu teacher I ever had. an American guy from my home town, we hung out and chatted .one of the first thing he said[kung fu is dead, mma killed it] if anyone wants to learn to fight they just go to mma, … I thought this happened to some extent ,but not to the point that kung fu would be wiped out. how about the kung fu school owners here. are you guys doing ok?[/QUOTE]
Was traditional gung fu ever big outside of Chinese communities in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s?
Killed?
I doubt it. Kung fu never was a ring sport.
MMA has had a more adverse effect on western boxing in my opinion.
MMA bouts are fast becoming bigger draws than boxing matches and especially at the amateur levels where mma has become very popular.
Even traditional boxing clubs had to go out and start white collar boxing clubs to generate interest. lol Those are now as common as pigeons.
P.S Kung Fu is the secret well that mma visits when it wants to change up the game a little by being unpredictable.
[QUOTE=SavvySavage;1253223]Those sparring sessions sound awesome. Can you post some video?[/QUOTE]
Below is a clip of various beginner and intermediate sparring sessions from 2013.
Since we train mantis boxing, I emphasize fast combinations and “sticking” to our opponent. To train this we fight on an eight foot round carpet. No where no run, no time to pause.
These guys are still a bit sloppy, but again they are beginners and beginner/intermediates. None of them are interested in becoming professional fighters. They just want to be able to handle themselves if they need to defend themselves. I think they are showing progress.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1253235]
MMA has had a more adverse effect on western boxing in my opinion.
[/QUOTE]
No doubt. Many boxing coaches are now teaching hands for MMA gyms. It’s the best avenue for them in many places.
Boxing still seems to be able to bring in a lot more money, though…
MMA lacks killing power
It only has KO power and power until the tap. 
No deaths in MMA, right? That would be bad for the sport.
Seriously however, MMA has dominated the newsstands. The only non-MMA print magazines on the newsstands nowadays (assuming you can even find a decent newsstand) are Black Belt (which is half MMA nowadays anyways), Tai Chi, and us. From the newsstand measure, if MMA killed anything, it would be Karate and TKD.
man, there tons of traditional kung fu schools all over the world. MMA didn’t kill sh1t.
it did however cause some schools to change direction and get with the times.
MMA produces spousal abuse
I don’t think it killed TCMA, I think it’s pointed out some gapping flaws, but has also taken some gems or is acquiring them from TCMA and adapting them within it’s bounds. evolution, evolution, evolution always
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1253319]From the newsstand measure, if MMA killed anything, it would be Karate and TKD.[/QUOTE]
MMA didn’t even know it was fighting some of the “TCMA” that’s out there.
people always make lame excuses when the fighting footage from their classes is a slop-fest
none of the people in these clips are professionals, and only one has even had a sport fight, and only 2 of them
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1253319]Seriously however, MMA has dominated the newsstands. The only non-MMA print magazines on the newsstands nowadays (assuming you can even find a decent newsstand) are Black Belt (which is half MMA nowadays anyways), Tai Chi, and us. From the newsstand measure, if MMA killed anything, it would be Karate and TKD.[/QUOTE]
Gene do most of the barns and nobles carrying kung fu tai? the one out in long island didn’t have it. beside the mma and bjj they had a tkd and traditional fighting arts mag
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1253333]people always make lame excuses when the fighting footage from their classes is a slop-fest
none of the people in these clips are professionals, and only one has even had a sport fight, and only 2 of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VAufGeqm1I[/QUOTE]
Nice clip. The guy with the black under armour shirt on threw a nice crisp combo. He looks new to takedown defense. Or perhaps it was a drill for that purpose? We used to do drills where one person could only strike and the other could only do takedowns. I had a 14 year old very nearly knock me out doing that once.
Also, that girl towards the end has some fantastic MT.
[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1253152]I was in a barns and noble yesterday in long island new York. first time I have been back in the states in 5 years. the first thing I did was go right to the sports section of the magazine stand, and to my surprise no kung fu tai chi magazine, about three mma mags and a grappling mag. then latter to the martial art book section, I think I saw two or three kung fu books at least.
then I met my first kung fu teacher I ever had. an American guy from my home town, we hung out and chatted .one of the first thing he said[kung fu is dead, mma killed it] if anyone wants to learn to fight they just go to mma, … I thought this happened to some extent ,but not to the point that kung fu would be wiped out. how about the kung fu school owners here. are you guys doing ok?[/QUOTE]
Long Island, ya say?Hmmm..well, my school is doing better than ever, and all the full-time, traditional Kung-Fu schools I know are doing fine, if not better in the last ten years.
Certainly not dead, not by a longshot.