[QUOTE=Sardinkahnikov;992336]I don’t know much about MMA or boxing, but there is something I wanted to ask regarding distance fighting and the transition to the clinch or takedown:
Most of the Wing Chun schools tend to emphasize the “short brigde” aspect of the fight, correct? Well, I’ve heard many people saying that the said “short bridge” isn’t such a useful tactic because, when you close the distance, you’ll probably end up in a clinch or getting taken down, or at least finding yourself defending against a takedown attempt. So, how do you think the “short bridge”, as usually practiced in Wing Chun, relates to the dangers presented by grappling?[/QUOTE]
WCK is a method of dirty clinch boxing, where our objective is to control the opponent while striking him (a combo of grappling and striking). So, we close the distance TO clinch. And if you control the clinch, you have less likelihood of being taken down.
The grappling in MMA is “atrocious” compared to Submission grappling in the Abu Dhabi for example, but you can’t compare it because MMA grappling is NOT submission grappling.
Heard this many times and seems to be true when watching some of the abu dhabi events. Lots of top fighters in mma have tried it and lost. only one i can think of off the top of my head that actually did well was Jeff Monson, but i think that’s where he started his career was in the abu dhabi if i’m not mistaken.
[QUOTE=Sardinkahnikov;992336]I don’t know much about MMA or boxing, but there is something I wanted to ask regarding distance fighting and the transition to the clinch or takedown:
Most of the Wing Chun schools tend to emphasize the “short brigde” aspect of the fight, correct? Well, I’ve heard many people saying that the said “short bridge” isn’t such a useful tactic because, when you close the distance, you’ll probably end up in a clinch or getting taken down, or at least finding yourself defending against a takedown attempt. So, how do you think the “short bridge”, as usually practiced in Wing Chun, relates to the dangers presented by grappling?[/QUOTE]
i think that in most cases if you are not including the full clinch in your bridge training and allowing takedowns your bridge skills will fall apart when these areas are allowed they are simply to easy to get to and such a natural movement for most people.
people do not hang about in the bridge zone if they are allowed to clinch and takedown, if you are trained to deal with them then your bridge skills will be useful, if not you will be in trouble
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;992339]WCK is a method of dirty clinch boxing, where our objective is to control the opponent while striking him (a combo of grappling and striking). So, we close the distance TO clinch. And if you control the clinch, you have less likelihood of being taken down.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, unless your opponent is a Judo or Greco player, then all bets are off.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;992340]Heard this many times and seems to be true when watching some of the abu dhabi events. Lots of top fighters in mma have tried it and lost. only one i can think of off the top of my head that actually did well was Jeff Monson, but i think that’s where he started his career was in the abu dhabi if i’m not mistaken.[/QUOTE]
they are two seperate skills, i know a guy that at best is a bjj purple beat 4 bjj blackbelts in a row in MMA last year, now he is a judo champ but no where near these guys in terms of pure grappling, getting hit changes the game alot
the mma gym i was at was heavily boxing oriented and they didnt tell us to change our punching style or that punching in these wide arching motion was the way you had to do it
of course you had to modify the boxing but this jsut meant adding thing to it like take down defense clinching etc etc
i recall it may have been nick or nate diaz talk about boxing in mma and he said that so many mma people are too busy running around just flat out saying something doesnt work instead of stfu and learning the technique and actually trying it out:D
[QUOTE=goju;992354]the mma gym i was at was heavily boxing oriented and they didnt tell us to change our punching style or that punching in these wide arching motion was the way you had to do it
of course you had to modify the boxing but this jsut meant adding thing to it like take down defense clinching etc etc
i recall it may have been nick or nate diaz talk about boxing in mma and he said that so many mma people are too busy running around just flat out saying something doesnt work instead of stfu and learning the technique and actually trying it out:D[/QUOTE]
and thats your experience, the gyms i have trained at and that others have trained at have had a different experience
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;992349]agree 100%, adding any of the levels of fighting to others changes the way you fight.[/QUOTE]
true, thats why its pointless saying mma fighters have bad hands, or that the takedowns in MMA would never happen in wrestling…they are all different sports and need to be treated differently
i recall it may have been nick or nate diaz talk about boxing in mma and he said that so many mma people are too busy running around just flat out saying something doesnt work instead of stfu and learning the technique and actually trying it out
You’re not suggesting that Fedor is lazy or sloppy are you? because he doesn’t have “classical boxing punches” ?
[QUOTE=goju;992359]but thats the point if it can be trained and applied in the traditional boxing way than people are just making excuses for having sloppy stand up[/QUOTE]
as i have said this is your point of view and your conclusion, mine is different as is alot of peoples, you seem to think most pros stand up is sloppy, i know from feeling their standup its not, you believe striking does not have to change in MMA, my views and that of the coaches i know is different
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;992361]You’re not suggesting that Fedor is lazy or sloppy are you? because he doesn’t have “classical boxing punches” ?[/QUOTE]
yes but the man has one hell of a punch and thats saved him .. so far
hey dont get me wrong im a huge fedor fan but the guy isnt a great striker
[QUOTE=goju;992359]but thats the point if it can be trained and applied in the traditional boxing way than people are just making excuses for having sloppy stand up[/QUOTE]
That’s exactly It. Nothing but excuses for sloppy fighting.
[QUOTE=Frost;992370]not a great striker, he beat rogers, cro cop and alovski on his feet, never been knocked down… you really need to think these statements through more[/QUOTE]
Cro Crop proved to be a 1 trick pony Arlovski has no chin.
[QUOTE=Frost;992370]not a great striker, he beat rogers, cro cop and alovski on his feet, never been knocked down… you really need to think these statements through more[/QUOTE]
yes and rogers was kicking his ass before he landed his hay maker so was arvloski and so was cro cop
what saved him is what ive said the man has incredible punching power
probably some of the best out there in mma today if not ever
