A lot of CMA use stances that are flat and stable. They don’t hop around like boxers. It seems that from a locomotion perspective, hopping better prepares you for sudden movement… look at how baseball players or soccer players or football players hop for a little bit in the moments before they know they’ll have to spring into action.
How do you feel about this?
Do you stay flat when fighting, or do you hop?
If you stay flat, how do you deal with a boxer’s footwork when fighting one.
I’m talking about a long fight, not ***** slap boxing, not one-step sparring, not “let’s stop after one of us scores a point,” etc.
We teach solid stances first, then we teach people how to use those stances but stay onthe balls of their feet for proper mobility. You only put the foot flat again when rooting for a certain technique.
Hopping is the wrong word for what the boxer is really doing, but it will do. I would call it just moving. There are many, many different ways, or styles, or flavors, or modes, or methodology. A cool new MMA name is “Crazy Monkey.” Go figure.
I hop. Its more effecient then standing still and flat-footed. You can root through the balls of your feet. Rooting is not directly connected to your foot position, its a structure and angle thing, and happens to have alot to do with mobility(in combat, at least.)
Im talking about rounds and rounds of grueling grinding training. Being economical is just smart. Combat is a very tight relationship with the opponent, Im mindful when limiting my mobility and ability to rapidly adapt as demanded.
If someones actually hopping or bouncing around it makes them an easy(er) mark. Each time their weght leaves the ground the are incapable of changing direction or issuing power untill their weight settles down again. Proper footwork, even for boxing, may include an lot of motion, constant stepping an so on but at least one foot is pretty planted at all times. A lot of good fighters keep their head bobbing up and down and around but they keep their center of gravity pretty level. Feet too. They may walk or scoot around quite a bit but the verticle movement is just in the feet. The hips always have a leg to drive off of.
A lot of traditional stances are TOO stable for a stand up match. If you plant yourself in an ‘iron horse’ you’re just begging to have you legs kicked. Not swept, KICKED! That wide low solid stuff is for resisting wrestlers.
Joedoe,
I disagree. If he’s any good, his punches come from his feet!
Originally posted by omarthefish
[B]If someones actually hopping or bouncing around it makes them an easy(er) mark. Each time their weght leaves the ground the are incapable of changing direction or issuing power untill their weight settles down again. Proper footwork, even for boxing, may include an lot of motion, constant stepping an so on but at least one foot is pretty planted at all times. A lot of good fighters keep their head bobbing up and down and around but they keep their center of gravity pretty level. Feet too. They may walk or scoot around quite a bit but the verticle movement is just in the feet. The hips always have a leg to drive off of.
A lot of traditional stances are TOO stable for a stand up match. If you plant yourself in an ‘iron horse’ you’re just begging to have you legs kicked. Not swept, KICKED! That wide low solid stuff is for resisting wrestlers.
Joedoe,
I disagree. If he’s any good, his punches come from his feet! [/B]
I know what you mean, but his hands still do the attacking.
hmmm, I saw no hopping from the boxer I just sparred with.
his feet were stable and he moved smoothly from one foot to the other with lots and lots of upper body bobbing and weaving.
The easist way is to hit the boxer just as their heal raises for a hop and then you hit them when they are unrooted. (times out of 10 you will totally disarm them. Hopping is a poor strategy in my books as rooting is everyhting, even rooting in movement. However when walking you can root yourself, but when you are off the ground you are unrooted. Hitting someone when they are even for a fraction of a second off the ground renders them disfunctional.
Just don’t watch their heel to the detriment of everything else they’re doing. A better definition of repulsive monkey’s explanation is that the best time to hit a boxer is when he’s shifting his weight to one foot or the other, catch him in the middle of the shift when he’s most unbalanced.
Originally posted by IronFist A lot of CMA use stances that are flat and stable. They don’t hop around like boxers. It seems that from a locomotion perspective, hopping better prepares you for sudden movement… look at how baseball players or soccer players or football players hop for a little bit in the moments before they know they’ll have to spring into action.
by hop do you mean bounce?
soccer players just explode straight ahead
the strongest boxers dont bounce or dance
when you explode, use your whole body behind the strike -> your body will move sure. but still thats different from dancing on the tip of your feet.
You just start to bounce also but,offbeat to the boxer’s bouncing.This will make him nauseus and he will have to run to his corner to throw up!..Easy victory!..
I’ve never been taught to bounce in boxing. We stay on the balls of our feet, and step in a ‘shuffling’ manner; getting the foot just a little off the ground and sliding it forward, then following with the rear foot, in quick choppy steps, to maintain balance.
Grab his paws, tell him in a firm voice “down” or “off” and then place his feet on the ground. If he bounces or hops up again, repeat. If he stays on the floor, tell him “good dog! Good down!” and scratch his ears.
A gentle knee to the chest works well too if the aforementioned isnt working. Sometimes louie just gets too excited.
I work shaving on him sometimes as well.
I’ve never been taught to bounce in boxing. We stay on the balls of our feet, and step in a ‘shuffling’ manner; getting the foot just a little off the ground and sliding it forward, then following with the rear foot, in quick choppy steps, to maintain balance.
that’s what I experienced the other night. although, I wouldn’t have said choppy. his transition from forward to backward to angles was very smooth. and quick. I couldn’t catch the dude.
Amatures “hop” around. Check the serious pro fighters, especially heavy weights, no one’s bouncing around anymore.
It’s no different than TKD guys that do that stupid shuffle … charge right in. As with the TKD shuffle, the principle is just idiotic. My master compares it to a gunslinger with two pistals at his waist. Does he fake for his right, then fakes for his left, then pulls the right gun? By then he’s dead! Pull and shoot. After the guys dead, than you can twirl the gun around and blow the smoke. So much waisted, unnessary movement.
Iron Fist, you make a lot of innacurate statements:
The other day you said boxing gloves are to protect the fist, not the face. And now say boxers hop. Are these ideas in your head, or something you are being taught? I don’t mean to be rude. But if we’re coming here to learn, you should post statements that you are certain are accurate! They may not be, but as long as you feel they are and can defend your point it’s good.
But to say a 12 or 16 oz pillow of a glove doesn’t protect the other guys face, is simply wrong. To suggest boxers “hop”, and how to counter it, is kind of silly. Even if they do, that’s like asking how do you defend the other guy scratching his head … he’s doing nothing to you. Why should it affect you? Go when you want to go! Do what you want to do!
The primary purpose of the glove is to protect the hand, however we saw in the Pride clips that a certain blow with a 4 oz. glove will knock someone out, where with a 12 - oz glove it would not be a knockout. With a 16 oz. glove it would definitely not be a knockout.
Another effect of the large glove is that it takes up more space defensively, and offensively it may be harder to slip a shot in through a tight space.
Edit: I think we can say that for punching, having a small glove, 4-6 ounces is ideal. Having no glove or a big heavy glove will detract from the power and effectiveness of the punch.
