Another thing;
If GFM is such a joke and an insult to other “masters”, then why haven’t any of the other “masters” put an end to it by winning him in a match.
I’ll tell you why, because he has made short work of the few who have challenged him. And if you doubt his abilities then why don’t you just ask him to prove himself? It will probably be a good chance for you to see something that you had thought humanly impossible before, the only downfall would be that you would probably be the subject of the demonstration.
To put my useless two cents worth. If you have not trained with Master Mark or any other teacher for that matter reserve your opinions about him or how he chooses to run HIS school until you have. I trained at his school briefly about 20 years ago and I have contact with some more current students. I will say he and his school I have found to be beyond reproach, which is better than I can say about many naysayers who get their thrills by putting down people as if they had authority in the first. I will also say every student from his school I have met have at minimum have been decent folk, but more so than not were all real sincere and instant friends. A thought about prices teachers charge and renewing certificates and such is to weed out those who are not sincere or truly dedicated, not everyone is out to make a quick buck or to rip people off many are just trying to prevent it from happening to themselves. If anyone was offended it is likely due to thier own guilty conscience, because I do not mean anyone any disrespect. I only spoke up because Master Mark is an honrable man to the best of my knwledge. Please don’t take my word for it, go to his school and find out for yourself and hell you might even learn a thing or two and have a good work out
Selamat dan Hormat
Orang_Silat
How about I save you some trouble by making your motives for your post more clear:
HEY EVERYONE! LOOK HOW MATURE David Jamieson IS! David Jamieson IS GOING TO BE THE GROWNUP HERE AND PUT AN END TO THIS ARGUMENT BECAUSE David Jamieson IS SO MATURE! David Jamieson IS BETTER THAN ALL OF YOU BECAUSE David Jamieson IS ENOUGH OF A MAN TO NOT GET INVOLVED!
wow, ok then.
You guys enjoy yourselves here, all Im saying is that you are tarnishing the names of all youselves. I wouldn’t expect too many students…particularly those who read this thread.
I for one am certaionly disinterested and would hold in question the quality and autheticity of any of it if the case be that you can’t get beyond this feud…that goes nowhere.
enjoy your mudslinging fest then and goodbye.
:rolleyes:
there have been encounters…
so just shut up already.
!!!
This is a PM from dw:
Re: hi
I don’t believe that you know what you are talking about. If you really didn’t think that it was your place to say anything, then you wouldn’t have said as much as you did. It’s obvious that you only want people to think that you have some special inside information so that you can feel important. I don’t have time to waste on giving in to your cry for attention, so if you message me again I will just delete it without even looking at it.
so i will reply here: ok.
there are also 2 other shops that rent from that same building, (Master mark owns the biulding) so one of those might be for rent. the school seemed to be running well when my training brother and i visited.
i just want to say it turns my stomach to hear the way a true legend in gung fu, like Mark Foon is being dishonored. my experience at Master mark’s school was a MOST pleasureable experiance. Master mark, as well as all of his students were very kind and hospitable to us. we were there for 5 days and attended 5 classes fro $20! that’s not someone who is looking to make money off people. i think everyone should go see Master mark’s school for himself. Master mark is a true martial arts legend, and even at the age of 79, his gung fu is still very vital and his speed amazing. go see for yourself. (thanks again guys!)
now that, i didn’t know about with him owning the bldg, but it does make sense. Good to hear you had a very enjoyable experience at his school.
no ones dishonoring GFM.
people are saying stop talking about how he is the true inheritor of lum sang, how he has the alter, etc. etc.
and this goes for anyone. not just GFM.
Fully agreed. no one dishonors GFM but he ISN’T what so many claims him to be. he is great and all that but he ain’t no ‘THE’ master of the art. he ain’t no the holder of ‘THE’ altar.
He was selected as ONE of the possible 15 students to inherit the art BUT THAT IS HOW FAR HE WENT, HE NEVER WAS SELECTED ANY FURTHER. NO ONE WAS. lam sifu didn’t pass it down to any of these selected people. so grow up! no 5th generation master as he falsly claimed it for 30 in Minnesota. yeah, no one could check on it so he just ripped people off, dishonored the other students of lam sang who were also teaching for decades but people went to mark 'cause they thought he was ‘THE’ selected master.
So you guys have plenty of your onw disgrace so cool down DW!
Sadly all these come from brainwashing. i’ve been there, studied there and saw a LOT of people leaving because of all these BS-ing. GFM talks bad of his own kung fu brothers ALL THE TIME. henry poo yee no good, jack man loius no good bak lim no good … etc. and he is the only one. Oh yeah, get a life! talk to others too before you make an opinion about them.
GFM is a great master but that’s the beginning and end of the story. wake up people in minnesota and start looking around.
Fully agreed. no one dishonors GFM but he ISN’T what so many claims him to be. he is great and all that but he ain’t no ‘THE’ master of the art. he ain’t no the holder of ‘THE’ altar.
He was selected as ONE of the possible 15 students to inherit the art BUT THAT IS HOW FAR HE WENT, HE NEVER WAS SELECTED ANY FURTHER. NO ONE WAS. lam sifu didn’t pass it down to any of these selected people. so grow up! no 5th generation master as he falsly claimed it for 30 in Minnesota. yeah, no one could check on it so he just ripped people off, dishonored the other students of lam sang who were also teaching for decades but people went to mark 'cause they thought he was ‘THE’ selected master.
So you guys have plenty of your onw disgrace so cool down DW!
Sadly all these come from brainwashing. i’ve been there, studied there and saw a LOT of people leaving because of all these BS-ing. GFM talks bad of his own kung fu brothers ALL THE TIME. henry poo yee no good, jack man loiue no good, wong bak lim no good … etc. and he is the only one. Oh yeah, get a life! talk to others too before you form an opinion about them.
GFM is a great master but that’s the beginning and end of the story. wake up people in minnesota and start looking around.
Fully agreed. no one dishonors GFM but he ISN’T what so many claims himself to be. he is great and all that but he ain’t no ‘THE’ master of the art. he ain’t no the holder of ‘THE’ altar.
He was selected as ONE of the possible 15 students to inherit the art BUT THAT IS HOW FAR HE WENT, HE NEVER WAS SELECTED ANY FURTHER. NO ONE WAS. lam sifu didn’t pass it down to any of these selected people. so grow up! no 5th generation master as he falsely claimed it for 30 years in Minnesota. yeah, no one could check on it so he just ripped people off, dishonored the other students of lam sang and lied for three decades about what his master has given to him. he dishonored those who were also teaching jook lum for decades, people went to him because they thought he was ‘THE’ selected master.
So you guys have plenty of your onw disgrace so cool down DW!
Sadly all these come from brainwashing and NOT from research. only those who listen to NO ONE BUT GFM make these claims. have you read for example master henry poo yee’s website lately how he learned jook lum (ckfa.com)? have you read about lam sang’s story for what he knows or you just form your own opition about what you heard from ONE MAN and in ONE SCHOOL? grow up man!
i’ve been there, studied there and saw a LOT of people leaving because of all these BS-ing. GFM talks bad of his own kung fu brothers ALL THE TIME. henry poo yee no good, jack man loiue no good, wong bak lim no good … etc. and he is the only one. Oh yeah, get a life! talk to others too before you form an opinion about them.
GFM is a great master but that’s the beginning and end of the story. wake up people in minnesota and start looking around yourself - at least those whom it’s not too late already.
This is exactly why: 'cause they’re adult enought to know that just because you fight it wont change ANYTHING. he still wont be what he claims to be, that is the inheritor of the art or ‘THE’ altar. doesn’t matter what he does, WONT CHANGE ANYTHING. GFM can fight every single master, he can kill them all and their students too, STILL WONT MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!! grow up man! he is no inheritor of art regardless of what HE says or does about it.
But why don’t YOU show proofs that he is the inheritor of the art and ‘THE’ altar as you claim it. why are you arguing here, you must know what you’re talking about. bring your proofs out and all this will come to an end.
We’re waiting.
Why don’t you just go to GFM’s and see the alter for yourself? It’s in his kwoon in plain sight. I would take a picture and post it here, but I am sure that I would only be met with a million responses asking me how I know that it’s the real alter and so it would just be a waste of my time and effort. If anyone does think that it would be convincing enough evidence, PM me and I will be glad to take a picture and send it to you; I should be getting a digital camera shortly.
When I originally posted in this thread I only wanted people who have never met GFM and who don’t know for sure what they are talking about to stop insulting him. I can’t say that I know every detail of GFM’s past, but I have more of a right to press my views than anyone who is insulting GFM because I am not doing anyone any harm. If I were insulting someone I would be more careful to be as informed as possible. Bottom line, I see GFM all the time and he is a good person who doesn’t deserve these insults. I was only trying to protect someone from ignorant slander and I was met with just that. I never gave anyone any reason to insult me, but I suppose I should have expected it from people who were already doing it to someone else. So sorry for giving you people the benefit of a doubt!
And to htowndragon:
Why don’t you at least post what it was that I was responding to in that PM?
You are doing a noble thing trying to defend someone’s reputation and that is great, however i am not sure why showing a picture of an altar would prove anything? i have seen his altar (for i too have studied there for a while) and i have seen pictures of the other masters’ altars and ain’t none of them said ‘i am THE ONLY true altar’ on them. they aren’t proofs of anything but the dedication of their owners to a custom, to an art and they are signs of great respect of their owners for their sifus. but they ain’t proofs of anything else.
Again, trying to defend GFM is a great thing, however he had done great many bad things in his life that are not small issues. for example like i said his claim that he is the inheritor of Lam Sifu’s art and the 5th generation master of the style lived up only till people actually had an easy way of contacting others (such as the internet) and found out that it is not true. just ask anyone else who actually learned from Lam Sifu. some spoke up against this, such as robert lee - who took care of Lam Sifu in his last years - and publicly issued an article in a magazine that Lam Sifu did not pass the art down to anyone. but most of the other masters just ignored it. they feel those who really want to know the truth will seek out for them. and finding the truth isn’t done by listening to one person but it is like practicing kung fu: it ain’t worth nothing if you don’t measure it up to others.
You have done a good thing though for coming here because this is your first step in talking to others and finding the truth. talk to other masters too and then draw your conclusions, but listening to just one man’s stories will only show you a very small portion of a great art.
Hope i shed some lights to what people are trying to get across.
me:
hi
i am only 18, but i grew up in houstons chinatown. i am connected to HPY through my sifu eugene chou, who was first disciple of gong bao zhai (ba gua quan) in taiwan, and later after the death of my grandmaster, became student of HPY. i dont train tong long formally yet, just the ting sing kung and some fightign hands
however i have also talked to lee ying sing tong long pai and GFM people privately, as well as other masters of differnt arts etc. i am pretty well connected in mo lum, sometimes even with the “politically incorrect” people.
im not taking sides, i know what happened, and i also know of several encounters between the tong long people, sometimes even “scuffles” that didnt last long.
not going to reveal anything. your sifu is a respected man, but please do not discuss any politics. its within the family, and for the most part, within the chinese community.
This was not the message that I replied to with the message above. I replied to this one and then you messaged me back. This second message was the one that I replied to with what you posted above.
EasternLord:
You keep asking me to provide proof, but I haven’t seen any from you. Everything that you say that you know about this situation was told to you by others. What makes it any more credible then what I said? I am not saying that I can prove that anything I say is true, but neither can you. I am just saying that you shouldn’t accuse someone of doing an incriminating act unless you can prove it. It’s different to defend someone with little or no proof then it is to accuse someone with little or no proof because the burden of proof is on the accuser.
LYS ppl
Hi Htowndragon,
I’m interested to know which LYS Pai people you have been in touch with.
Regards,
Jay
PS. Keep it chopped and screwed baby, Screwston TX!!!
You keep asking me to provide proof, but I haven’t seen any from you. Everything that you say that you know about this situation was told to you by others. What makes it any more credible then what I said? I am not saying that I can prove that anything I say is true, but neither can you. I am just saying that you shouldn’t accuse someone of doing an incriminating act unless you can prove it. It’s different to defend someone with little or no proof then it is to accuse someone with little or no proof because the burden of proof is on the accuser.
Proof for what? That he isn’t the inheritor of the art or that he doesn’t have ‘THE’ altar? I told you, contact ANY of the other students of Lam Sifu and they’ll give you all the proofs you need.
You are twisting this around just like with any of your other statements. no one accuses GFM, you claim that he is this and that yet you can’t provide proof of any of your claims.
Far as proofs that he claimed to be the inheritor of the art: turn to page ‘xi’ in the ‘6 healing movements qigong’ book he published. Read second column: ‘… in 1969 master Lum closed his hands (retired) and appointed master mark to take over the fifth generation master of this system.’
No he didn’t Lam Sifu DID NOT appoint anyone as the next generation master.
OK, now get your ‘50 years of real kung fu’ video out (a biography of GFM) and start playing it. right at the beginning it says ‘… it has always been understood and accepted that GFM is the true 5th generation master of this art’.
Now get your training manuals out that he sells on his website. in the biography section they too claim him as the inheritor of the art.
Or a coat from his old website, right off of the first page ’ … after Lam Sung retired, he passed his art down to gin foon mark’.
Want more? look at the sign in front of his school, or pick up any of his brochures inside the school or just look at the Yellow pages years back. they all advertise him and his school as the fifth generation master.
HE AIN’T!
Your turn, show proofs that he IS the inheritor of the art and ‘THE’ altar as you claimed it.