Martial arts as an business

Well thank you for the feedback apoweyn.

I understand what you are saying and if I was rude myself I am sorry but I dont like when peoples focus is just rude and not giving knowledge like I hoped I would get here.

And if I had 10 years or 10 months of train respect should be warrented. Thats one of the things that I love about the arts.

My training in an actual school 5 months , outside of that 2years. But between school and other things didnt have the time to train in an gym.

But I have possible future plans to do this and the first thread explains that ,so that why i said people are not listening. Yes I am still an novice as far as the arts are concerned that way I raised the question of martial art in an business sence.

I am not getting angry because of the answers, its because I have stated my position and people assume I am this snake that is not look for knowledge. If i am going about the wrong way just let me know. I dont need the negativity

ChitownMantis,

Well thank you for the feedback apoweyn.

I understand what you are saying and if I was rude myself I am sorry but I dont like when peoples focus is just rude and not giving knowledge like I hoped I would get here.

Well, I apologize too. People are a bit cynical here. Regrettably, they have good cause.

Two years is obviously too little time to start teaching. Five months certainly is. But I understand that you’re not talking about teaching now. But in the future. And as long as that’s your focus, then I applaud you thinking in advance like this. If you’re serious, then dedicating yourself to martial arts training (obviously) and a solid business background is a really good plan.

People worry, though, that overenthusiastic beginners will skimp on their own education to start teaching other people. Regardless of the motivation (money, respect, or even just a love of martial arts), ready is ready.

You’ve got a long time before you’ll be prepared to teach. I’d been training for about 10 years before I was ready to teach (though I started teaching before that, which was a mistake). And about 15 before I was actually good at it. (And my skill as a teacher even now is up for debate.)

So for now, perhaps you should concentrate on getting into a legitimate school. Not one that’ll get you promoted the fastest. But one that will give you a good, solid skill base. Work your way through their ranks (and I don’t necessarily mean their belt ranks). And perhaps become an assistant instructor. A lot of being a good teacher is being a bad teacher first. Being an assistant will give you a chance to hammer out some of the rough edges under the eye of someone more experienced than you. That’ll be stressful, but invaluable.

And if I had 10 years or 10 months of train respect should be warrented. Thats one of the things that I love about the arts.

True. But that’s not particular to the arts. It’d be nice if respecting other people were our default in most situations. But realistically, respect has to be earned. As for KFO, stick around, make your points, defend your points intelligently and earnestly, and it won’t be long before you’ll have your respect. Dig?

My training in an actual school 5 months , outside of that 2years. But between school and other things didnt have the time to train in an gym.

I can understand that. Married, working full time, working on getting back into school. There are lots of reasons not to be training properly. But they’ll all need to be resolved if you plan on teaching for a living. As a teacher, you’ll be selling yourself. And you’ll need to have confidence in your product. That confidence can only rightfully come from experience.

But I have possible future plans to do this and the first thread explains that ,so that why i said people are not listening. Yes I am still an novice as far as the arts are concerned that way I raised the question of martial art in an business sence.

If you feel people aren’t listening, don’t lose your cool. Just restate your point. Build on it. Help them understand. It’ll be good practice for teaching.

I am not getting angry because of the answers, its because I have stated my position and people assume I am this snake that is not look for knowledge. If i am going about the wrong way just let me know. I dont need the negativity

State your position again. And again if needs be. Defend your position. You’re right that you shouldn’t be attacked right from the get go. But reality is what it is. And you’re going to need to learn how to deal with it. Convince us that you’re serious. Pretty much everyone here has, at one time or another, had to defend their own statements, actions, etc.

The people here can be harsh sometimes (myself included). But you can benefit from the hazing. People here will force you to think about what you’re saying. And generally, that’s a good thing.

Stuart B.

Thank you! apoweyn. That’s that knowledge I was look for, thank you.

And as far as schools I am in Jacksonville and that only school I see that seem cool is an school that teach Tai chi chen style.

Kam Lee Chinese Arts Center(http://www.chineseartscenter.com/klcac)

If you know anyone that has any info on this school or the sifu I would be thankful.

martial arts is not a business… only simple minded folks attempt to make money off of other simple minded folks by attempting to teach something as simple as martial arts. :stuck_out_tongue:

uki, you keep making us all revisit the past.

This thread is so 7 and a half years ago.

:stuck_out_tongue:

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1024200]uki, you keep making us all revisit the past.[/quote]you clicked by choice…errrr… pre-destination manifested as the experience of choice in this three dimensional body…

This thread is so 7 and a half years ago.
time is inconsequential. :smiley:

[QUOTE=uki;1024205]you clicked by choice…errrr… pre-destination manifested as the experience of choice in this three dimensional body…
time is inconsequential. :D[/QUOTE]

I clicked and THEN saw the date on this dead horse you dragged up for another beating.

Time is arbitrary, yes, though there is a definite something to it…

anyways, you’re a bastard.

:smiley:

[QUOTE=uki;1024205]
time is inconsequential. :D[/QUOTE]

Actually… it is.

[QUOTE=Drake;1024208]Actually… it is.

[/QUOTE]
no wonder you have a desk job… the sight of you on the battlefield might offer some serious morale problems. :stuck_out_tongue:

Not if I have THIS!

martial arts is not a business… only simple minded folks attempt to make money off of other simple minded folks by attempting to teach something as simple as martial arts.

So, how did you learn if you did at all. From watching martial arts movies? Making money whether it be good intentions or bad is based on the indivdual. And Martial arts is not simple…I have not posted on this form for a number of years. And when I orginally ask the question I was looking for insight instead of people that like taking shots. I mean if you learned martial arts and you pay a teacher to teach you what would you call it? Hello, a business. This is not even worth talking about anymore.

[QUOTE=ChitownMantis;1024402]martial arts is not a business… only simple minded folks attempt to make money off of other simple minded folks by attempting to teach something as simple as martial arts.

So, how did you learn if you did at all. From watching martial arts movies? Making money whether it be good intentions or bad is based on the indivdual. And Martial arts is not simple…I have not posted on this form for a number of years. And when I orginally ask the question I was looking for insight instead of people that like taking shots. I mean if you learned martial arts and you pay a teacher to teach you what would you call it? Hello, a business. This is not even worth talking about anymore.[/QUOTE]

hmmmn 7 years later…maybe it is good that uki revived this.

Martial arts teaching is a business in many ways. Many people run schools as NPO’s though, but money is need to keep lights on, hvac, insurance etc.

Not to mention, why should anyone give their hard won lessons to you for nothing? You must be reciprocal in the relationship.

I think that what your skills are are what helps you to eat, drink, have shelter etc.

If you committed to the study and practice of kung fu and someone else wants that too, well, they have to offer something up don’t they?

Or do you think martial arts teachers should all be starving artists? Distracted and stressed by their other job that sucks the life out of them with a commute and a headache?

If you can do what you love, do it with passion and share it with the correct intention, then that is worth a lot. That is a commodity.

You can’t buy Kung fu, that’s for sure. But you gotta ante up to get in the game and that’s that.

do soldiers not get paid to train other soldiers? Do western boxing coaches not get payed for training fighters? Does your high school wrestling teacher get paid for his knowledge?

You better believe there is an aspect of business when someone wants something and someone else is willing to impart it.

It’s fantasy to think all kung fu teachers are mr. miyagis. It’s also dangerous to maintain that type of thinking.

Be more workaday in your approach to martial arts. I have NO problem with paying a good teacher for information and methods they have that I do not.

[QUOTE=ChitownMantis;1024402]martial arts is not a business… only simple minded folks attempt to make money off of other simple minded folks by attempting to teach something as simple as martial arts.

So, how did you learn if you did at all. From watching martial arts movies? Making money whether it be good intentions or bad is based on the indivdual. And Martial arts is not simple…I have not posted on this form for a number of years. And when I orginally ask the question I was looking for insight instead of people that like taking shots. I mean if you learned martial arts and you pay a teacher to teach you what would you call it? Hello, a business. This is not even worth talking about anymore.[/QUOTE]

Don’t agree with you. You can earn money from your hobby by providing private classes or courses. Yes, you need investment into this business, and money can be an issue. BUT you can take pls cash loan and invest it at the very beginning, and afterwards payback it. So, it is a real business and model is working fine in our modern world mate :slight_smile: