Mantis9–actually, most boxers that end up stupid, started out that way. Ali is the extreme of what can happen, of course. That’s what happens when you carry your jab low and you use your incredible ability to take a punch to win fights.
As far as the difference between MT/CMA conditioning, couldn’t tell you. I don’t think I’m qualified to discuss their differences…I’ll leave that to Sevenstar. I feel comfortable making some overarching generalizations about the effects fighting has on the body–cumulative trauma over time–but not about specific conditioning methods.
clavicle hook
Hi Clinchers,
While visiting Mantis108 in Canada I got him in a secure clinch. I should mention I’m a little over half a head taller than him.
Once I had him secured he reached his free hand up and hooked it behind my clavicle with 2 fingers and pulled down with bone crushing force.
What do you think?
Is it a good technique?
I realize it wouldn’t work with mitten style gloves, but…
I think it’s the end result of the conditioning that’s different. In MT, we are trying to harden out striking surfaces - it seems like it could be liek a type of iron body training, but if I’m not mistaken, the CMA method is actually training the tendons.
Re: clavicle hook
Originally posted by Tainan Mantis
[B]Hi Clinchers,
While visiting Mantis108 in Canada I got him in a secure clinch. I should mention I’m a little over half a head taller than him.
Once I had him secured he reached his free hand up and hooked it behind my clavicle with 2 fingers and pulled down with bone crushing force.
What do you think?
Is it a good technique?
I realize it wouldn’t work with mitten style gloves, but… [/B]
Sounds good, since clinche position would make the clavicle shows out and easy to hook on. You can alway bounce upward and strike under the jaw too.
Everyone si talking about specific moves but has all forgoten the fundamental edge we have on Muai Thai, the Mantis Footwork.
My brother does Muay thai and their stamina and stength is ridiculous, but their footwork cant talk to Mantis, you cant hit want you cant get.
yes, and chi 
however, MT does utilize some “internal” concepts, such as yielding.
grifter, are you saying that an advanced mantis stylist with excellent footwork can easily evade a MT stylist of the same caliber?
Is there a site online where I can see mantis footwork?