I thought this was a thread about whether or not people thought that supernatural-seeming martial arts abilities were hoaxes or not. Why are you talking about Jesus and the Roman Catholic Church?
Because, as any good thread does, it got sidetracked. But it actually does fit into topic…kind of
I was stating fact to be taken or left. I could care less if somebody decided to believe that the monkey chi kung master jumped 15 feet into a branch, and I’m not looking to debate silly fantasy like that. “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
the quote from Yoda, whether it was in a movie or not still holds water. The Jedi was based on a combination of ideas that were based in Asian martial arts and philosophies. Look, we all quote many things that we heard in movies, whether it is Clint Eastwood, Clockwork Orange,Kwai Chang Caine, ore Christopher Walken,it doesn’t take the relevance from it
I understand where you are coming from, all I’m saying is if you want to contribute, do so …don’;t be half-assed. Saying something and not giving references does no one any good.
Some people on this forum would argue that my name is not Jason if they had an opportunity.
unless it was from the South Parl movie…Uncle ****er…
“I’ve yet to hear any definitive proof of the existence of (Christ)”
You probably never will. A skeptic tends to stay a skeptic and most likely no proof will satisfy you. I don’t have Christ’s W-2 forms or Social Security number myself but I know that both Jewish and Catholic records are cited by scholars to convince them of his existence. The Bible although is the primary source of information on him. His existence has never been a subject of debate to my knowledge.
I can’t honestly argue what greater minds than mine have delved deeper into so I have to reccomend for you to research elsewhere. I’m sure the Web or Barne’s and Noble contain the works of theologians that would be much more in depth than anyone here (or any other average Catholic) can go into. If youre’ looking to convert then good luck! Seriously though…the Jewish/Roman Catholic Religions will most likely always be a matter of faith to a large extent. Research is obviously good but I don’t think any religion expects all of it’s followers to be theologians.
I personally feel that the writers of the Bible gave us what they fealt was important as far as Christs message and left out superficial stuff like his skin or eye color…etc.
I guess a thread gets sidetracked like any other normal conversation.
Similar to the way I couldn’t care less about people wanting to believe in magic, I also couldn’t care less about people who want to dictate exactly how I should post on a public forum. If I want to post easily verifiable information, then I don’t feel the need to cite a reference. This goes for high jump records, the melting point of water, or the approximate population of the United States.
If you need a reference for such easily verifiable facts, then you are either extremely ignorant or extremely lazy. Either way, I wouldn’t wish to enter in a discussion with somebody like that.
There is a brief reference to Jesus by Roman historian Josephus although the authenticity of that has come into question. I’ve yet to see any serious contentions to the authenticity though. If you look on the web, everybody discounting Josephus’s account say things like “It’s common knowledge it’s a forgery” or “It’s a well known hoax”, but they’ll never reference any actual proof.
I’m an atheist, so the argument doesn’t hold any special meaning for me.
same here. what’s always been debated was whether or not he was actually God’s son.
I personally feel that the writers of the Bible gave us what they fealt was important as far as Christs message and left out superficial stuff like his skin or eye color…etc.
who said that wasn’t mentioned? the bible states that he had skin of brass and hair like wool… A far cry from all of the paintings you see today. it was mentioned in revelation as a vision which john had.
This is also coincidentally cool:
“And He had in His right hand seven stars” …that has nothing to do with why I chose this name though.
I DID in fact go out and look for the info you posted. I was referring to others. I am in no way trying to tell you how to post on a public forum. I was just stating there was a disagreement, and by posting a link earlier you could have proven yourself right earlier.
I was using the general you and not talking about you, GreenCloudCLF.
Apologies then, I misunderstood…
Being someone who has spent many years in institutions of higher learning, first as a student and most recently as a student, I am (admittedly) the sort who would ask you to cite your sources if you said the sky was blue. However I also tend to read those sources once they have been provided and if they measure up to reasonable academic scrutiny I will concede points.
Seeing as I come from a scientific background, perhaps I have a different take. If somebody were to ask for a source following any easily verifiable fact, then very little would be done. I can see it now:
A: “So seeing as how gravity effects the human body…”
B (interrupting): “Wait a minute there fella. Can you cite a source that a force known as gravity exists.”
A: “Well we have Newton’s Law and Einstein’s Relativity. This is them (explains)”
B: “Ok. Ok. Well is there experimental data proving these men are correct.”
A: “Well, yes. Here are some studies published in peer-reviewed journals validating these theories.”
B: “Alright. I’ll concede your point on that. Now where is the data on how it effects the human body.”
A: “Well, the earth creates a gravitational field and thus everything on it including humans will feel some effects.”
B: “I want sources buddy. I will need to read them.”
A: “Well, okay. Here are some studies about gravity’s effect on the human body and even mechanisms and structures in the human body which can be seen as an adaption to coping with the amount of gravity found here on earth.”
B: “Very well then. Continue.”
A: “Alright. Seeing as how gravity effects the human body, then one can say space flight…”
B: “Whoah Whoah Whoah. Are you saying human’s have flown in space?”
A: “Yes.”
B: “Source”
A: “Isn’t it kind of obvious. It’s really not up to debate.”
B: “No way buddy. I need dates, times, news reports, official logs…”
A: “Nevermind. Lecture over.”
When something is actually in contention, then by all means question it. Needing a source for things like the sky being blue, athletic records, etc is being a bit a ignoramous, imo.
I don’t think he was being literal there Ford. 
and yes, I agree, that which is self evident is indeed…self evident, ground is beneath your feet, unless you look at it from the theory of relativity viewpoint. Sky is above, etc etc, all these are self evident. Besides, sometimes the sky is red, or orange, or grey, but anyway… not literal.
Now, in matters concerning mystical or religious belief, tere is first teh matter of the ‘leap of faith’ which in and of itself negates the need for quantative evidence in the one who has made that leap.
The bible is a conglomerate of books patched together over millenia. There are contradictions throughout it in it’s entireity including the gospels. It was written by men, who probably had an agenda and lets not forgetthat for thousands of years, religion was the power center and was teh government.
The hold that it has on teh human mind is deep and strong. And so, you probably won’t see significant change in our lifetime.
A person who disbelieves because they cannot be shown validity is not really skeptical, they just aren’t about to be sold a pig in a poke. If someone wants my heart and mind for whatever reason then there must be reasonable proof of a valid reason to give up that which is intimately, intrinsically and extrinsically mine and no one elses.
I’d rather be responsible for as much of my life and mind as possible without having to struggle with antiquated belief systems, laws and morality that for the most part is outdated and outmoded in thinking and in practice.
I mean, just peruse the bible for a little while and you’ll see how irrelevant a good chunk of it is to us in the here and now. Kill your enemies? Beat your children? Subjicate your wives? It’s pretty twisted quite through and through on many levels.
anyway…
omg!
dude i just made the perfect ****in pancake.
i amaze myself sumtimes.
Can you provide sources proving that?
David J , are you trying to make a religous point or something and how does this "point " of yours apply to Martial Arts ?? BTW you cited Old Testament. KC:cool:
ROTFLMFAO! As DJ said I was not being literal. Still that was VERY funny and if you think about how strident the peer review process can be at times…