[QUOTE=Sihing73;822113]Jesus was a historical figure known to exist.
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ONLY if you live in Fundie land! There are 2 contemporary references to Jesus. BUT the work of both Josephus and Tacitus were KNOWN to have been changed by early christians to try to provide primary sources for Christ’s “existence”. One has been absolutely proven to be a forgery. The other is very questionable. You have to do better than this. AND even if you were to accept these as accurate statements. All they actually say is (this is short hand) There are some people running around saying that this guy jesus was god, but he died.
WOW, That’s just powerful evidence. I hope you don’t sit on any jury anytime soon. Further, 1000s of people are walking around RIGHT NOW within 10 miles of where ever you are (statistically) who BELIEVE that they were kidnapped by aliens. They FAR out number by any account the number of followers of this jesus fellow. Why don’t you believe them?
Consider the change in all of the disciples who went into hiding when Christ was crucified but then preached about him, and the way of Salvation. Each of these, with the exception of John who died in exile, died horrible deaths. Why would they suffer so, along with so many others, for a false faith. The scientific method considers evidence so please explain the change in the disciples using science.
Well, those same UFO abductees, their lives have changed too, why aren’t you joining their cult???
Don’t all the books in North Korea attest to the divine origins of Kim Jong Il-- his father was a god-- all the books say so… and Kim Jong Il has done miracles-- all those millions of people can’t be wrong-- can they?
The number of KJI followers outnumber jesus’ followers for the first 300 years combined by something like 300 to one.
North Koreans starve to death by the 100,000s year in year out. There have even been rumors of cannibalism in some parts of N K because people are starving. All so KJI could spend $300,000 a year on Cognac. All these people are suffering horribly in far greater numbers than the few straggly sheppard you prostrate yourself to blindly.
And the Mormons have a burning in the bosom giving them an “inner knowingness” that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God, that F8king your 12 year old daughters or selling them to 40 year old cousins is a good thing, and the messages and the souls of humans are brought to earth from another planet by ufos (YEP -Look it up that’s what Mormons believe).
Scientology tell you the proof is that their program works-- and Tom Cruise and John Travolta are amazingly successful. So why are you not signing up?
Do you have any evidence beyond the usual confirmation bias/delusional type stuff? Anything measurable to prove that consciousness - qi or any other - can exist outside a body…(and where exactly is it in the body while you are alive) and one of those consciousness is named “Jesus”?
Because if not, isn’t it the same as all the woo proffered here… Everyone thinks they have the true woo. I don’t understand why you think Christianity or qi is more likely to be true than the ones I listed above or the myriad of other faiths dreamed up by scared, mentally ill people who were either afraid to face reality or wanted power over others who were. Why we should give your “evidence” more weight than all similar “evidence” presented for different beliefs???
Scientific evidence is not always accurate and sometimes what was once taken as gospel is proven to be incorrect as technology advances.
Since you quote science as being the end all please explain to me how a bumble bee can fly and a hummingbird can hover.
NO that’s not what I said that’s what you think I said. Science is not AN answer! Science is a METHOD to examine the physical world and the phenomenon in it! It is a way of examining, testing and verifying hypothesis which gives us conclusions - to the best of our current understanding about how the world
- THE ACTUAL world - works. Has it made mistakes? Absolutely - But here is the thing about science and what separates it from your delusions! IT is EXACTLY the same METHOD that proves a thing that can also disprove a thing with new information!
Unlike the jewish zombie or the universal force of chi. Science makes claims that can be tested, verified and falsified. I don’t need to have special powers, or a certain level of open mindedness to do the math that tells me how planes fly or a rockets trajectory or how this computer interprets a bunch of zeros and 1s into the picture you see and the text you read. I don’t have to abandon reason for madness to see the majic jujjuu bead.
If you can’t explain these two examples of nature then how can you say without reservation that QI does not exist?
That’s pretty FUNNY - did you just cut and paste this ignorance from
www.doesgodexist.com or some other IDiot site? I did not study aerodynamics and my calc skills are considerably rusty. Add to that the fact that even if I posted the calculations for you it would be just a waist of my time - BUT here is a hint!
There are these big buildings - virtually EVERY town has one - they are just full and I mean wall to wall (the horror) of these things called - are you ready - BOOKS. These things, they actually EXPLAIN how things REALLY work! Where you can go out and replicate them and find independent sources all by your self, instead of taking the word of some poorly written fiction by a tribe of sheepherders from 2000 years ago or some fat man who is trying to take your cash while diddling your children.
You can also be lazy and try GOOGLE
or click here www.physorg.com/news4688.html
Questions are regarding his claim to divinity. Why do people who opt to believe have to be “nutters”.
Well let me see -
The belief that a cosmic jewish zombie who was his own father and was born by raping his mother can make you live for ever, if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood. Then telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in all humanity because of a rib that turned into a woman was convinced by talking to a snake who has no ears or vocal chords to eat from a magical tree - YEA Now that you’ve explained it, it makes perfect rational sense to me.
Oh and we won’t even get into the whole ethical and moral - or should I say lack there of - quandary of holding someone responsible for other peoples misdeeds.
Now back to Qi for a minute.
The more you read this stuff, the more you realize that Qi proponents and perpetual motion machine crack pots are saying exactly the same nonsense.
The only difference is the deliery system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion
which actually makes perpetual motion crackpots one step above qi because at least they have an explanation of how the power is created, stored and delivered.
Since qi proponents claim that qi can effect the REAL physical world, can be used to kill people etc. It has to have a PHYSICAL presence, weight, mass etc. It also HAS to reside somewhere in the human body or the human body HAS to have some physical structure which can retreive, store and conduct said energy?
Simple questions? What is this mechanism? what is the physical structure and conductor that conveys this energy? How is it that this energy has no negative effect on the human body? Why can we not see, touch or measure this response in the human body? Why can we not see touch or measure this “energy” by any instrument known to man though any independent means. Much like the non-sense that comes from ESP proponents, Ghost hunters, fortune tellers, Yuri Geller
Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson.
