MA Rant!!!

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Ok,

I’m in a bit of a foul mood, for no particular reason other than I work night shift from 10 to 10 and I’m particularly annoyed by one guy the other night.

Rolling at about 70% capacity, just setting up sweeps and submissions and hitting them easy to roll around and feel out some stuff I don’t normally get to play with and my partner, a 230 lb MONSTER is getting more and more frustrated, can’t pass, can’t submit, etc. Well, his “energy” changed–you can tell in grappling when a guy is “rolling,” with you, and when a guy is genuinely trying to BEAT YOU. There is an “anger,” in the movements. I don’t know any other way to describe it.

So he starts throwing 100% submissions, ankle lock and such, because he knows he can’t pass (although his passes are getting MUCH better), and I’m still fishing around at about 70-80% to escape and what not. He finally passes at mach 5 and manages to get a particular type of armlock I left out there for him to find and had some really nice transitions into a shoulder lock.

Now, I have gumby joints. This is not a skill issue, just kind of something nice to have in this game…so I let him do his thing and then escape more or less based strictly on the looseness of my shoulder joint.

Well, he got REALLY annoyed at that point and just started trying to POUND his way to the win.

So I did an “omo plata”-- a sort of rolling shoulder lock accomplished with the legs–just to let him know I could, that I was AWARE of the turn things had taken, you know, the “hey, I know what’s going on here…let’s not kid ourselves about the purpose of what we are doing and get back to the task at hand–getting better”, and to try and bring things back down a level.

That seemed to make it worse.

Finally, I had enough and went all out on him. By sheer force he managed to muscle his way out of two armbars, 3 chokes, and one more shoulder lock, although he got swept repeatedly in the process.

After getting out of the last choke, where he was turning purple and making pleasant little gurgling sounds, he goes, “I’m tired,” and went and sulked in a chair.

What’s UP with that crap? I’m particularly annoyed because this guy is pretty good and he didn’t get that way by trying to kill his training partners.

Had this happen the other week with a fantastically strong wrestler, about 8-10 lbs lighter than me, who’d done a little submission work on the side. He’d been coming every day and having a field day with some of our skilled smaller guys–he couldn’t “get them,” but he was kind of physically roughing them up a bit.

I finally got a chance to go with him, and he tried to murder me from the outset. I admit to making him pay for that. He also tried to puss out at the 20 minute mark and I made him continue for the ten minutes left until the end of class. He was VERY upset he couldn’t get by my legs.

Haven’t seen him since.

Ego–leave it at the door or don’t come at all.

If you lose, laugh a little and then try and figure out WHERE you got beat… because usually, you got beat two or three moves ahead of the one that got you.

Sheesh.

Conclusion of rant.

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Only time i get ****ed when i’m loosing is if the guy winning me seems ****y about it. the ego thing goes both ways, dont be mad because your loosing and dont be ****y because your winning.

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I know that feeling. In Taiji, we call it reading the intent. You know, it’s really just as simple as A lot of people miss the point

There’s nothing really wrong with going like that from time to time. Just make sure it’s agreed to by both parties first. But it should always be a now and then thing.

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Hi.

You can learn more from your losses than from your victories.

So be thankful that you have an Opponent that can beat you.

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Agreed qeysus. I suppose it was possible that he may have interpreted my lack of all out effort as not taking him seriously as a force to be reckoned with, and gotten a little insulted.

I mean, we’re all competitive or we wouldn’t do what we do. I was just surprised to see it coming from this guy, who is fairly experienced.

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Amen to losses making you better.

I constantly roll against guys who give me nightmares with certain parts of their game and I do nothing but challenge their strong suit, even though I know I will get beat there, just so I can learn to handle that.

There is a 48 year old man, 155 lbs in our class who is currently murdering me with his guard passes. I have tried EVERY tactic I can think of to counter, to no avail. What it has forced me to do is move out of my comfort zone, stop relying on certain things that have worked for me in the past.

I’m hoping to get better because of it.

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Then i must be a world champion cuz i loose all the time :wink:

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Weird i just copped a similar thing

Ive just started Bagua up but my new sifu also teaches Tai Chi, one of his students is also a wing chun guy and i got introdused to him and we started talking. As soon as he said WC i had half an idea what was about to take place. I started by telling him his Tai Chi was looking very nice, he responded by telling me it was just for health and is useless in combat:rolleyes: I tried informing him that you dont fight like your doing a form but he just wouldnt get the concept. I was surprised at his lack of respect for what he was actualy learning but i didnt really care untill he started on every other martial art known to man.
Kung fu is all a lot of posturing, karate is to stiff, Bagua wouldnt work, White crane is to open, Bak Mei cant use a pheonix in a fight.
I tried informing him i was capable of using a pheonix fist and he wouldnt have a bar of it, eventualy i offered him to try my hands. He was really shocked and told me that every time he offers to spar he either beats the guy or they refuse, by this time im absolutely itching to go becouse ive seen this guy move and i know darn well whats about to happen.
He asks me how i would deal with his [really poorly learned] wc center line blasts. I politely asked him to try, as he steped forward i swung a hard fast fist arching strait into him and crashed strait though his dreaded strait blast and right into his sholder knocking right off balance. He then tells me i couldnt ‘use’ that and i politely inform him ‘i just did’.
I then decided to be a real smartass and drill him on some respect for other arts. I began asking him how he would deal with certain stratagies like the long arms of white crane [i just subsituted my hung long boxing] or the circling of Bagua. Each time i totaly wrecked his offence and went strait though him. Yet to my ammazment he steadfastly stuck by his belief that he was in the right and everything but WC was a total waste of time. His responce to being beaten was basicaly if i had trained his way i would be much better. Im not a brilliant fighter and im sick to death of people who believe that they have some kind of special tactic that only they know. The worst part is his instructor [whom im not gonna name] is well respected, seems to be encouraging this belief amoung his students.
This guy had 2 years of WC which aint much to my five of Hung but he shouldnt have been so stupid in the first place, the worst part is losing didnt even change his mind! Still i did succeed in REALLY annoying him.
What is with people:(

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That’s the Keeper of the Masters Secrets syndrome.

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i like it when those guys come to my class.

our sifu makes the smallest guy in our class rough them up a bit. he’s about 5’4’’ 130. it’s hillarious to watch a big guy laugh when he comes up and replaces they guy the big dude was just about to spar. they got a ****y grin right up until they hit the floor or get choked out. what’s even funnier is when he calmly tells them to relax and calm down while he’s tossing them back and forth across the room. of course this kid’s been training 10 plus years. being the same size though slightly heavier than him it’s a real inspiration to watch him play with big fu ckers who are actually trying to hurt him out of frustration.

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Yeah,
We have a little purple belt we hand those guys to sometimes. Much fun!

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I had a similar experience a few years ago. I was at my university, where we had a martial arts club. This particular day we were grappling and this marine dude walks in, and challenges whichever of us would accept. It was supposedly a “friendly” challenge, he just wanted to prove that he could “beat a bunch of karate guys” I step up, and immediately get a throw on him. we grappled around, and it was evident he’d done some grappling before. I guess he got frustrated, as he began to scratch me. I warned him about it, and he later scratched me again. After not being able to get the position he wanted, he BIT me. Now I’m p!ssed, so I get more serious with him. I beat him, and he gets up, looks at himselfin the mirror and starts kissing at himself. WTF??!??! I never saw him again.

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Don’t sweat it too much MerryPrankster, the ego thing really leads to injuries when rolling. I had a similar experience too, and almost busted my arm.

That’s why I kind of grew to hate “challenge matches” seems like a lot of them could lead to that kind of thing.
Rather train hard with trustworthy friends and partners.

SevenStar, did you mention that story once before? It sounds familiar.

Ryu

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Eh, I’m not really THAT upset, it just got to me a bit for awhile. A couple of sweet italian sausage subs fixed that though :slight_smile: The world tends to look better with food in the belly.

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“The world tends to look better with food in the belly.”

merryprankster is correct.

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Amazing ain’t it? :smiley: