Most players will push block, push tackle, or stiff-arm an opponent with the same approximate motion in an American-style football game.
What I said before was that holding a horse stance past a certain point will not have any transferrable benefit into fighting. Then I gave examples. I said it won’t increase your strength for kicking, for example, because it’s not increasing the force with which the muscles can contract.
What about building the will and mental endurance of pain. Does not fighting spirit and mental toughness have benefits that transfer into fighting? I read in a MMA or knife fighting book that the author recomended road running. Not simmply for the cadio but so the runner/fighter can benefit from the pain that is experienced. Same deal with horse stance.
Aside from some things I agree with a lot of what you are saying about much of the physical benefits from horse stance. I must mention that I do not do thighs parallel to the floor when doing horse stance.
You are partially correct. Jumping rope is done to gain endurance. An MMA guy training for a fight would get better endurnace for fighting by practicing fighting instead of jumping rope.
If its all about the most efficent and beneficial methodology why then do they jump rope? Why do boxers do it? How about because there are more benefits then just cardio. Maybe it makes their footwork lighter and faster? Wow multiple benefits now! 
Most players will push block, push tackle, or stiff-arm an opponent with the same approximate motion in an American-style football game.
So your saying they don’t actually spend time doing push ups just to get better at push ups?
Actually, they probably don’t do many push-ups at all; they bench press because weights provide MORE RESISTANCE than another person would if all you did was practice the motion live all the time. You get stronger using weights than you would if all you did was play football, which makes you a better football player.
But at any rate, I’m not arguing with you. Quit trying to argue with me.
Sorry mate. If my writing sounds like I’m arguing I appologise because I’m not. Just trying to make a point tis all. I could make it with bench press if you like?
dude dont worry about master killer. ever since he left the temple to start the 36th chamber, he has been a little too confident.
For the original question:
We do our ba shi almost every day of class (4 times a week).
we do it for 30~60 seconds per stance so 4-8 minutes total. depends on the day and what else I have planned for class.
Sometimes (maybe once a month) we’ll do ma bu for 2-4 minutes w/o doing any of the other stances.
I like to mix stuff up a lot though. The other day I had them do 10 break falls then, 30 seconds in a posture, then another 10 falls, repeated till they did 30 seconds in each stance. They ended up w/ 4 minutes of stance training and 80 falls in about 8 minutes total.
they hated me
also, we don’t just exercise our legs while doing posture training. Our arms are held in different blocks and strikes while holding the posture so our arms are getting some development as well.
So if you’re trying to make a point then maybe you should just make it instead of keeping us all in suspense.
I’m bringing Kung Fu to the people!
by people you mean “select few beautiful women, who I hand choose.”
When I train ma bu I meditate on my forms. I break them down section by section, movement by movement. I find the most obvious application and run it through my minds eye in slow motion, paying close attention to the whole picture, how each body part moves in conjunction with each other. In so doing I can more easily spot where I need improvement with my movement. I am able to understand much more easily how the movement can be made more fluid by adjusting specific joint movement to a better timed full body syncronization.
By doing this I am completing several things.
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I am building my ma bu strength.
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I am building my will power (of mind over body), if you have ever held ma bu for a long time you know it can be very difficult, especially with proper form, this is why alot of people make excuses why they dont do it. Simply they do not have the will power to get pass the pain and suffering.
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I am building a firm mental understanding of the exact body mechanics involved in each movement.
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I am building a longer list of applications for each movement in my form, through in depth self scrutinization.
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I am building a list of things that can be physically worked on for each form, and also building a list of applications to physically practice with a trainng partiner.
Through maximization of my time I am able to do much more than just stand in horse. I am able to improve my inner qualities through standing meditation, and at the same time build my foundation for strong stances.
This is Chinese Kung Fu. This is part of the root. This is tradition and application proved useful through years of war and personal combat. This is also only for those who wish to practice Chinese Kung Fu in a traditional sense. This is also a method adopted by many schools, but not all.
The above mentioned practices need not be used, but if used can maximize the use of your time.
You could do these meditations sitting down, but why not meditate and improve your physical aspects as well. This is what we call looking beyond the veil.
Many will not be able to understand this or even believe in meditative boost, but this means nothing to those of us who practice and understand this type of method.
Many in the modern world of martial arts will never understand kung fu. It is their loss. Not ours. It matters not.
you seem to forget holding a mabu for a long time teaches you concentration, focus, and discipline. to stay in the mabu. to make the pain go away. your not looking aroung, looking at your sifu thinking when is this going to end. your staying in your mabu concentrating, controlling your breathing and focusing on what you are doing at the moment.
sorry, I vaugely include that with will power. I should pay more attention to what I write.
but you are very correct.
I also guess I should add that you whould find as many applications as you can for each part of your forms. This in turn, after much practice of doing this, will develope the ability to more easily spot actual applications for movement. In time you will be able to instantly spot application and memorize movements.
You will have what your sifu shows you, but he will not have shown you everything most likely. Unless your really cool.
sorry dude, i wasnt knocking your comment. yours was very good about the willpower. a lot of other people didnt mention anything about the discipline side and will power side. i agree with what you said on the willpower too.
sorry dude, i wasnt knocking your comment. yours was very good about the willpower. a lot of other people didnt mention anything about the discipline side and will power side. i agree with what you said on the willpower too.
oh…okalie dokalie.
I can be pretty vauge sometimes, so I looked back and realized I was being kind of vauge there.
Discapline is a very important factor, and I like how you mention breathing. Stance training is an excellent opportunity to practice some basic qi gung.
Explain a thai boxer’s kick - we do no stance training…
not really. you are actually planting your leg and giving it to me. common follow ups to dropping the weight against a shoulder throw are the major outer reap and the minor inner reap - o soto gari and ko uchi gari.
omar is describing what I was talking about as well:
Actually, jumping rope doesn’t have that great of an effect on footwork. once you understand basic footwork, jumping rope really does nothing for you in that department. footwork training builds better footwork.