Literati Tradition: Neidan Meditation

Science and Magic in Ge Hong’s ‘Baopu-Zi Nei Pian’

Excerpts from Science and Magic in Ge Hong’s ‘Baopu-Zi Nei Pian’
by Evgueni A. Tortchinov
St. Petersburg State University, Russia)

Firstly, Ge Hong rejects the opinion that only herbal drugs are beneficial for health as well as for the prolongation of life.

He states that drugs made from minerals and metallic substances are much more useful than the herbal ones. The herbal drugs are weak and the strong heat destroys them but minerals and metals are strong and stable: for example, the heat can not destroy cinnabar which changes itself into the “water silver”, or mercury. After this statement, Ge Hong notes that ordinary people do not know even such simple things as the origin of the cinnabar (HgS) in the mercury. They say that cinnabar is red and the mercury is white and so, it is impossible that the white substance produces the red one.

The second aspect of this passage is more interesting. Ge Hong declares that the common people (“worldly people”, or shi ren ) are ignorant even of such things as the nature of the cinnabar and so, it is not surprising that they do not believe in such subtle things as the way of immortality.

Ge Hong describes the healing qualities of different plants and herbs, but, as he states, the common people do not want to use them and prefer the superstitious religious methods of healing (such as prayers, sacrifices, fortune-telling, etc.). They do not believe in the art of the famous physicians but rely on shamans and sorcerers. And if it is so, it is very naturally that they do not believe that because of the eating of the Golden and Cinnabar Elixirs immortality can be obtained. Moreover, they reject even the usefulness of mushrooms and flowers for the prolongation of life. How can we hope that they will recognize the truthfulness of the way of immortals?

It is significant that Ge Hong treats the Daoist alchemy with its super mundane aims in the same terms as the traditional medicine and pharmacology. Thus, alchemy and the “arts of immortals” for Ge Hong are not of supernatural, or religious nature; they are “positive” and “scientific” in the same way as medicine and pharmacology are. The rejection of these arts certifies the ignorance of the common people preferring the “superstitious” religious ways to the means of medicine and the Daoist arts which have the same character as medicine. And this character is quite opposed to the superstitious nature of purely religious practices.

Ge Hong not only demonstrates the contrast between the “scientific” knowledge of the sages and the ignorance of the ordinary people but uses the “positive”, or “experimental” contents of the Daoist texts for support of his Daoist approaches. Ge Hong’s beliefs in immortality and alchemy obtain their “scientific” ground in the empirical and positive sides of the Daoist classics (jing) becoming the proven results of the real verified knowledge. Thus, knowledge and experience (not faith, or intuition) were the basis of Ge Hong’s beliefs in the immortals and in the Daoist methods of the attainment of their exalted state.

Nevertheless, it is obvious that BPZNP is full of the information about magical and supernatural events which are for the external observer quite identical with the contents of the beliefs of the Ge Hong’s opponents. But for Ge Hong himself they are very different: for him the Daoist beliefs, the ardent proponent of which he was, had a scientific and positive nature based on the experimental data and positive knowledge of the sages (being of the same kind as the data of medicine, etc.), and the beliefs of his opponents were devoid of such basis, being superstitious and ignorant. It is possible to note that there were two kinds of Ge Hong’s opponents and interlocutors: the representatives of the so called Confucian rationalism and the “superstitious” followers of the folk religious cults.

It is substantial for Ge Hong to have authoritative sources of information recognized by the Daoist tradition (the knowledge of the lineage of the holders of the text is also important). Such sources are called by Ge Hong “The Classics of Immortals” (xian jing). Not only the origin in the Daoist classics was the testimony of the validity of the information about the immortals and immortality for Ge Hong. He also evaluated greatly the witnesses of the Chinese authoritative texts of the Confucian and historiographical tradition.

It can be said that Ge Hong recognizes the following criteria of the validity of the beliefs and different kinds of opinions related to the subjects of science and religion: 1. The experience; 2. The testimonies of the Daoist Classics and of the well known and highly estimated by the Chinese tradition non-Daoist texts. The practices and beliefs which had no such scriptural support (as in the case of the folk beliefs and cults) were rejected by Ge Hong as superstitious and excessive. Thus, Ge Hong tries to represent his techniques of immortality and his alchemical and occult ideas as an integral part of the “great tradition” of the Chinese culture. For him they are not only equal to the ideas of the Confucian sages but even higher and more exalted than the Confucian doctrines (according to Ge Hong’s position Confucianism is the branch and Daoism is its root).

It is rather clear that Ge Hong greatly evaluates experience and laboratory alchemical operations. But these operations as such have direct relations to magic and ritual behaviour. It is impossible to divide technical, magical and ritualistic aspects of the scientific approaches of Ge Hong. He denies the idea of the automatic, or mechanical effect of the elixirs, combining the technical and chemical procedures with fasting, prayers and purification.

Thus, it can be said that practical character of Ge Hong’s alchemy does not prevent him from the declaration of highly ritualized nature of the alchemical doings. Therefore, it bears remarkable (to the mind of a contemporary Westerner, of course) contradiction between science and magic. And this magic permeates the very core of Ge Hong’s understanding of alchemy and medicine. But this magic is of quite another nature than the superstitious beliefs of the common people: it has its roots in the Daoist stratum of the great tradition of the Chinese culture being to Ge Hong’s mind supported by the experience of the sages of old who transmitted their knowledge and methods to the contemporary Daoists throw the unbreakable lineage from one mater to another.

Moreover, this experience of the ancient sages must not be only a subject of the so called “blind faith”: it can be verified by the alchemist throw his own laboratory doings. Ge Hong does not admire the antiquity as such. Like ancient Legalists and his predecessor in the field of skepticism and empiricism Wang Chong, Ge Hong looks at the antiquity like on the trace of a giant: the giant has gone away and his trace is not he himself. Therefore, the ancient witnesses for Ge Hong have their value only within the frame of the Daoist experimental approach. If Ge Hong was only a mystic it could be waited for his interest in the intuitive insights into the hidden nature of the reality underlying the transitory phenomena. But we can not find such an interest. The passages dedicated to the meditative practices for metaphysical understanding are very rare in BPZNP. The only exception is the beginning of the 18th chapter of this work (Di zhen) dedicated to the contemplation of the True One (zhen yi) which is the manifestation of the Mysterious Dao (xuan) in the things and in the physiological structures of the Daoist “subtle body” (“the fields of cinnabar”, dantian). But even this passage relates mostly to the practices of the “preservation of the One” (shou yi) and not to the insight type meditations. The aids of these kind of contemplation are protection from the enemies and illness, the obtaining of super powers throw multiplication of the body, etc.

The practical sides of Daoism (the preparation of the great elixir of immortality and supporting methods) and corresponding to them the doctrines of the immortals - xian are the principle subjects of Ge Hong’s interests which directly correlate to his scientific and experiential approaches. To my mind, Ge Hong was not a mystic or a seeker of intuitive insights but an investigator, researcher of nature with pragmatic attitude (the obtaining of physical immortality), and experimental and skeptical thinker. The abundance of magic in his writings was a result of an essential character of the traditional science which included in itself magic and magical attitudes (e.g. the idea of the universal sympathies, Chinese “tong lei”) not only in China but throughout the world until the time of Newton, Galileo Galilei and Descartes.

Doc

The Supreme Jade Emperor’s Embryo Breath Scripture

The Supreme Jade Emperor’s Embryo Breath Scripture

Translated into English by Frederic Henry Balfour, 1884


The Heavenly Lord Jade Emperor says:

The Embryo is formed by the concretion of concealed Breath; and the Embryo being brought into existence, the Breath begins to move in Respiration.

The entrance of Breath into the body is Life; the departure of the Spirit from the external form is Death.

He who understands the Spirit and the Breath may live for ever; he who rigorously maintains the Empty and Non-existent may thereby nourish the Spirit and the Breath.

When the Spirit moves the Breath moves; when Spirit is still the Breath is still.

If you desire to attain to immortality, the Spirit and the Breath must be diffused through one another.

If the Heart is perfectly devoid of thoughts – neither going nor coming, issuing nor entering – it will dwell permanently within of its own accord.

Be diligent in pursuing this course; for it is the true road to take.

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BTW, although many of the posts submitted on this thread are quite interesting and informative, they are off-topic, IMO. This thread topic is devoted to a discussion of Chinese Alchemy, not Chan Buddhism. Perhaps one of you should start a separate thread for continued discussion of that topic elsewhere. :slight_smile:

Doc

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;795058]Are you refering to “jing/semen retention” for example ?
I have heard concerns voiced by urologists and such in regards to this practice.[/QUOTE]

I guess this was missed…would still like an opinion though, please and thank you.

sanjuro:

I can only speak of my own personal experience in training with Taoist Nei-Tan, Yoga Pranayama, Tibetan Yoga, and other advanced Chi-Kung methods, which involve regulated breathwork, breath retention formulas, breath locking methods, or other internal techniques of energy modification and control. All such practices and training methods present the very real potential for internal injury if performed incorrectly and too strenuously. :eek:

Caution is advised always, and I believe that such practices should never be attempted through self-instruction from books and so forth, but should always be learned from a competent and experienced teacher for this reason. In this way, such techniques can be safely learned and practiced without injury, and without harming overall health, but instead will serve to build inner strength and health, not demolish it. :slight_smile:

Doc

[QUOTE=Doc Stier;795522]sanjuro:

I can only speak of my own personal experience in training with Taoist Nei-Tan practices, Yoga Pranayama practices, Tibetan Yoga, and other advanced Chi-Kung methods, which involve regulated breathwork, breath retention formulas, breath locking methods, or other internal techniques of energy modification and control. All such practices and training methods present the very real potential for internal injury if performed incorrectly and too strenuously. :eek:

Caution is advised always, and I believe that such practices should never be attempted through self-instruction from books and so forth, but should always be learned from a competent and experienced teacher for this reason. :slight_smile:

Doc[/QUOTE]

I see, makes sense of course.
My experience with “advanced breathe work” is limited to hard qigong like the Sanchin and Sam Chin forms, and the hard/soft type of the Iron vest and Iron wire, but I have not “focused” on the IV or IW at this point.
In many types of “iron” training, such as Iron Palm, they speak of and recommend “semen retention” for the build up of chi, but from what I hear, urologists and such have issues with that.

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;795525]
In many types of “iron” training, such as Iron Palm, they speak of and recommend “semen retention” for the build up of chi, but from what I hear, urologists and such have issues with that.

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I think the main health concerns are mostly in regard to techniques which strive to prevent the normal ejaculation of semen during sexual climax and orgasm by forcibly attempting to retain it at that time with specific methods of muscle contraction and mental visualization. This is oftentimes much like trying to prevent urination when the urinary bladder is completely full, and the immediate need to empty the bladder is URGENT, or like trying to retain a bowel movement that demands to be evacuated IMMEDIATELY! :eek:

Thus, if semen retention techniques are practiced too often or too strenuously, there is likely to be some harmful effect or outright injury to the prostate gland and urethra, and perhaps other associated organs, as a result. But here again, it is primarily the overzealous and overstrenuous use of such methods which causes harm, not usually a more normal and moderate practice of these techniques. :wink:

Doc

[QUOTE=Doc Stier;795535]I think the main health concerns are mostly in regard to techniques which strive to prevent the normal ejaculation of semen during sexual climax and orgasm by forcibly attempting to retain it at that time with specific methods of muscle contraction and mental visualization. This is oftentimes much like trying to prevent urination when the urinary bladder is completely full, and the immediate need to empty the bladder is urgent, or like trying to retain a bowel movement that demands to be evacuated IMMEDIATELY! :eek: As such, if semen retention techniques are practiced too often or too strenuously, there is likely to be some harmful effect or outright injury to the prostate gland and urethra, and perhaps other associated organs, as a result. But here again, it is primarily the overzealous and overstrenuous use of such methods which causes harm, not usually a more normal and moderate practice of these techniques. :wink:

Doc[/QUOTE]

Ah, thought so, I recall reading where, depending on ones age, there is a certain amount of time between climaxing, I think ( for example) in one’s 30’s that one should go 14 days between climaxes ( not no sex mind you, just no happy endings for the male :smiley: ).
This had to do with the bodies ability to “replenish” the spent jing.

Quite so! :smiley: The game can still be alot of fun to play, even if you don’t hit a home-run every time at bat! :wink:

Doc

so does anyone have a site w/ info on bringing food into the mountains or making while there or anything of this sort.

thanks

hermit:

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Doc :slight_smile:

hey Scott - sorry, missed this one

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;795476]
Actually D.T. Suzuki, in his commentary on the Sutra of Hui-Neng, states that according to Hui-Neng, this is exactly what the mind does . The only thing that may be used to solve the problem of the mind is the mind itself. It is mind turning back on itself that observes itself and knows itself. We commonly call this introspection. [/QUOTE]
well, I would agree at the beginning - in other words, it is the mind that realizes that, in the words of the Great Sage Daffy Duck - “sumptin’s amiss here”, and so one consciously embarks on a quest of self-improvement (first mistake! 20 blows!); from the perspective of my experience in Ch’an practice, you then can “do” any number of meditative exercises (counting breath, mantra recitation, etc.) - and one is certainly using mind to monitor one’s internal state - surfing the balance of agitation and dllness (if you’re not thinking about paying bills, you’re falling asleep, right?); at some point, the mind “settles”, and one is no longer “thinking” about what is going on, there is simply perception of suchness, without the filter of analysis; the “idea” is that the mind no longer functions as an intermediary, but steps out of the way - this “state of awareness”, if one has experienced it, is like a tall glass of cool mountain spring water - crisp yet without flavor, and very refreshing (from personal experience that’s as far as I can tell you - the rest would be passing on the dregs of someone elses meal, not just of my own!); but the point is, if it is mind introspecting, it is not doing so in the “everday” sense of it - you are not “figuring out” what is wrong and how to fix it (unlike psychotherapy), so that’s what I guess I meant…

also, thinking about Hui Neng - the way he became awakened, according to the tory, he simply heard the Bddha Dharma recited once, and got it - was he using mind?

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;795476]When we transcend our conditioned interpretation of experiences it is easy to turn off the survival mechanism. This is because one perceives the inherent illusion of fear to begin with. In the end this is the greater or true survival mechanism. One’s survival is not in question therefore there is nothing to fear. When there is nothing to fear our chances of physical survival are increased as a natural consequence.[/QUOTE]
it’s an interesting proposition - I don’t disagree, but it seems a bit paradoxical - when you stop caring about whether you live or die, it suggests you may not do something that would otherwise save life; at the same time, perhaps ones field of awareness is such that one is never in the wrong place at the wrong time? or perhaps none is able to respond in a life-sustaining manner but without the fear response mediating it…in a vry small way, I can say I have experienced the benefit of this approach in dealing with certain aspects of life - the big one is fear of death - it’s easy to think you have overcome that, but since we have minimal opportunity to test if that is really the case, it’s hard to say…:stuck_out_tongue:

anyway, thanks for the input…

Neidan Meditation

cjurakpt:

Once again, for the sake of staying on topic, and with all due respect, how does most of this ongoing reference to and discussion of Chan Buddhism realistically relate to the thread topic of Neidan Taoist Alchemy? :confused: It seems that most of the posters on this thread have no personal knowledge of Taoist Alchemy, no personal experience with Taoist Alchemy practices, or simply no personal interest in the subject matter, and thus have nothing to contribute to a discussion of the topic.

The continuing discussion of Chan Buddhism on this thread has certainly been quite interesting and informative, but really deserves to have its own thread, IMO, since it is not the topic of this thread. :wink:

Doc

this kinda pertains to the topic… taoists really look up those who have discovered/reached immortality/longevity, but that is not what is natural. TAO-ists not being natural and following along with aging mean…?

[QUOTE=Doc Stier;796055]Once again, for the sake of staying on topic, and with all due respect, how does most of this ongoing reference to and discussion of Chan Buddhism realistically relate to the thread topic of Neidan Taoist Alchemy? :confused: [/QUOTE]
actually a great deal, since they at once compliment each other (there is at least one practice with which I am familiar - Zhuen Ti Practice - that combines the two) and at the same time contradict each other, which, from the perspective of Chinese history / philosophy is not insignificant - if I recall, the whole thing came up in terms of comparative assessment of one to the other, so as far as staying “on topic”, it seemed to evolve naturally out of the discussion, so that’s how it occured (maybe I was the one who did that - I forget and am too lazy to go back and look; BTW, I missed where you mentioned this the first time, so sorry if it seemed I was ignoring it); anyway, most threads on KFM seem to drift and meander prety regularly, most people don’t seem to care, so that’s just how I’m used to it going; maybe it’s a bit less so over on EF? well, I’ll try to be more acutely conscious about it in the future, although I can’t promise I won’t drift again…

[QUOTE=Doc Stier;796055]It seems that most of the posters on this thread have no personal knowledge of Taoist Alchemy, no personal experience with Taoist Alchemy practices, or simply no personal interest in the subject matter, and thus have nothing to contribute to a discussion of the topic. [/QUOTE]
well, I mean, I could describe what it was like over the 100 or so days when my own Siu Jou Tin pathway “opened”, or likewise what was similar / different with the Greater Circulation, but does anyone else really care? I could also describe the way our particular school (Complete Reality School, Dragon Gate Sect), does it, but I don’t want to be responsbile for someone misunderstanding it and flairing up their sympathetics, spiking their BP and having one biotch of a headche for 3 days; one thing we do consider is that any sensations are merely one of 8 aberrant manifestations of “qi” (tightness, itches, ache, vibration, sound, image, smell and cold) that are part of old injuries being healed, and are not indicative of anything beyond that (personally, I see it as the ANS and the CT system rebalancing themselves); anyway, the key is to work with someone experienced (unlike Jung who supposedly used Willhelm’s poorly translated work on the subject and evidently ended up needing to live alone a cottage and playing with little toy soldiers to get his brain back to normal - or so I have heard…)

as far as semen retention, in our particular practice the perspective is that once you get aroused, any semen that you would “retain” is already “tainted” by the arousal itself, so you may as well go ahead and enjoy yourself; otherwise, as far as the Medline literature goes, there does not seem to be any evidence of medical problems associated with retrograde ejaculation, although I don’t know what is acutally being retained as an semen is being urinated out anyway (but you do have a shorter refractory period afterwards, for what it’s worth)

[QUOTE=Doc Stier;796055]The continuing discussion of Chan Buddhism on this thread has certainly been quite interesting and informative, but really deserves to have its own thread, IMO, since it is not the topic of this thread. ;)[/QUOTE]
guess Scott took care of that, so no worries

A common obstacle for Westerners in approaching the Nei-Tan literature and practices seems to be tied to a cultural unfamiliarity with its core philosophical and metaphysical concepts. Thus, in order to work with the notion of cultivating a Golden Elixir (Chin-Tan), it is necessary to grasp the idea of a basic Inner Elixir (Nei-Tan) which is traditionally considered common to all, emanating from the Primeval Beginnings (Hun-Cheng) and shared by everyone alike.

Liu Yiming (1734-1821) states in his writings that “Golden Elixir is another name for one’s Fundamental Nature, formed out of Primeval Beginnings. There is no other Golden Elixir outside one’s Fundamental Nature. Every human being has this Golden Elixir complete in oneself, and it is entirely achieved in everybody. It is neither more in a sage, nor less in an ordinary person. It is the Seed of Immortals and Buddhas, and the root of worthies and sages”. As such, this Inner Elixar represents ‘Superior Virtue’ (Shang-Te) manifested as the personal Self-Realization of the original “Celestial Reality” (Tien-Chen), the unconditioned, unchanging, primary components of existence and being, viz. Ching, Chi, and Shen.

The culmination of Nei-Tan training and practices, therefore, is to successfully ‘Return’ (Huan) to the ‘Emptiness’ (Kong) of the original state of Nothingness (Wu) from which Ching, Chi, and Shen originally came. This is accomplished by “refining Vital Essence (Ching) in order to transform it into Intrinsic Energy (Chi)” , then “refining Intrinsic Energy (Chi) in order to transform it into Spirit (Shen)”, and finally by “refining Spirit (Shen) in order to Return (Huan) to Unconditioned Nothingness (Wu).”

In this manner, while the Tao-Te Ching states: “The Tao generates the One, the One generates the Two, the Two generate the Three, and the Three generate the Ten Thousand Myriad Things”, the Nei-Tan (Inner Elixar) practices employ a kind of reverse technology which retraces these stages of development back to the Primeval Beginnings (Hun-Cheng) of the Cosmos.

Doc

A common obstacle for Westerners in approaching the Nei-Tan literature and practices seems to be tied to a cultural unfamiliarity with its core philosophical and metaphysical concepts. Thus, in order to work with the notion of cultivating a Golden Elixir (Chin-Tan), it is necessary to grasp the idea of a basic Inner Elixir (Nei-Tan) which is traditionally considered common to all, emanating from the Primeval Beginnings (Hun-Cheng) and shared by everyone alike.

Liu Yiming (1734-1821) states in his writings that “Golden Elixir is another name for one’s Fundamental Nature, formed out of Primeval Beginnings. There is no other Golden Elixir outside one’s Fundamental Nature. Every human being has this Golden Elixir complete in oneself, and it is entirely achieved in everybody. It is neither more in a sage, nor less in an ordinary person. It is the Seed of Immortals and Buddhas, and the root of worthies and sages”. As such, this Inner Elixar represents ‘Superior Virtue’ (Shang-Te) manifested as the personal Self-Realization of the original “Celestial Reality” (Tien-Chen), the unconditioned, unchanging, primary components of existence and being, viz. Ching, Chi, and Shen.

The culmination of Nei-Tan training and practices, therefore, is to successfully ‘Return’ (Huan) to the ‘Emptiness’ (Kong) of the original state of Nothingness (Wu) from which Ching, Chi, and Shen originally came. This is accomplished by “refining Vital Essence (Ching) in order to transform it into Intrinsic Energy (Chi)” , then “refining Intrinsic Energy (Chi) in order to transform it into Spirit (Shen)”, and finally by “refining Spirit (Shen) in order to Return (Huan) to Unconditioned Nothingness (Wu).”

In this manner, while the Tao-Te Ching states: “The Tao generates the One, the One generates the Two, the Two generate the Three, and the Three generate the Ten Thousand Myriad Things”, the Nei-Tan practices employ a kind of reverse technology which retraces these stages of development back to the Primeval Beginnings of the Cosmos.

Doc

[QUOTE=Doc Stier;796370] the Nei-Tan practices employ a kind of reverse technology which retraces these stages of development back to the Primeval Beginnings of the Cosmos. [/QUOTE]

which is played out allegorically/spatialy in the taiji form as well

Good Tai-Chi Chuan certainly holds the potential to employ the Nei-Tan process, but few modern practitioners seem to be interested in training seriously enough to do so. Too bad, really, not to go for the full meal deal, wouldn’t you agree?

Doc

Nei Dan

[QUOTE=Doc Stier;796370]A common obstacle for Westerners in approaching the Nei-Tan literature and practices seems to be tied to a cultural unfamiliarity with its core philosophical and metaphysical concepts. Thus, in order to work with the notion of cultivating a Golden Elixir (Chin-Tan), it is necessary to grasp the idea of a basic Inner Elixir (Nei-Tan) which is traditionally considered common to all, emanating from the Primeval Beginnings (Hun-Cheng) and shared by everyone alike.

Liu Yiming (1734-1821) states in his writings that “Golden Elixir is another name for one’s Fundamental Nature, formed out of Primeval Beginnings. There is no other Golden Elixir outside one’s Fundamental Nature. Every human being has this Golden Elixir complete in oneself, and it is entirely achieved in everybody. It is neither more in a sage, nor less in an ordinary person. It is the Seed of Immortals and Buddhas, and the root of worthies and sages”. As such, this Inner Elixar represents ‘Superior Virtue’ (Shang-Te) manifested as the personal Self-Realization of the original “Celestial Reality” (Tien-Chen), the unconditioned, unchanging, primary components of existence and being, viz. Ching, Chi, and Shen.

The culmination of Nei-Tan training and practices, therefore, is to successfully ‘Return’ (Huan) to the ‘Emptiness’ (Kong) of the original state of Nothingness (Wu) from which Ching, Chi, and Shen originally came. This is accomplished by “refining Vital Essence (Ching) in order to transform it into Intrinsic Energy (Chi)” , then “refining Intrinsic Energy (Chi) in order to transform it into Spirit (Shen)”, and finally by “refining Spirit (Shen) in order to Return (Huan) to Unconditioned Nothingness (Wu).”

In this manner, while the Tao-Te Ching states: “The Tao generates the One, the One generates the Two, the Two generate the Three, and the Three generate the Ten Thousand Myriad Things”, the Nei-Tan practices employ a kind of reverse technology which retraces these stages of development back to the Primeval Beginnings of the Cosmos.

Doc[/QUOTE]

Hi, Doc

Basically I understand the principle of your saying above and the NeiDan Tu (micro.jpg). Can you recommend me any web sites or books, Chinese or English, to further my knowledge on the Nei Dan. In fact, I am practricing now under a sifu after 8 years of cultivating micro and macro orbiting qigong. My sifu, a Chinese is not good on explaining the principles.

Thanks.

Qiew

Hi Qiew!

Understood. Check these sites out as a starting point. Hopefully they will fill in some of the gaps in information.

Doc

http://www.eng.taoism.org.hk/daoism&human-civilization/daoism&scientific-civilization/pg5-1-3-1.asp

http://www.literati-tradition.com/meditative_practice.html

http://www.stanford.edu/~pregadio/jindan_texts.html