can you list the different kinds of southern kung fu or southern kuo shu styles that have no variations or has only one lineage. example: there are at least two kinds ( two lineages) of wing chun chien . or there are at least 5 kinds of southern praying mantis.
are there even southern kung fu styles( not systems like choy li fut, or hung jia chien) that has only one lineage?
I think only secret or extinct styles fit that bill 
as soon as a Sifu has more than one student, 2 lineages can develop… so i would say it’d be pretty much impossible, except from maybe family styles or something…
david
Bak Fu Pai has only one lineage.
Ima
bak fu pai may be under Doo Wai family thats what he says, but its made up from different systems. so it aint pure as such as if his family made the style up.
Bak Fu Pai was not created by the Doo family, but it was passed to them by the founder of the style, therefore the Doo family would be the sole lineage for Bak Fu Pai and has been that way for centuries.
IMA
Can you please tell me why Doo Wai studied under Cheung Lai Chun for? CLC is bak mei!
thanks and welcome to KFO.
I can tell you fiercest tiger, why he studied under CLC. It’s because Bak Fu Pai is Doo’s interpretation of Bak Mei.
Curious, If CLC died in 1964 how old was Doo Wai to learn the Pak mei System from Him. I also read by James Lacey that Bak fu Pai was part of the five elders style.
Just Curious.
Doesnt Bak Fu Pai just mean
Bak (white) fu (tiger) pai (family)?
If so there are ten million styles using that name and any one linage would be simply a personal interpretation anyway.
I would doubt highly that any system more than a couple of hundred years old would be all one linage. Some will try to tell you they are but they usualy have an alteriour motive for doing so.
I personaly cant name one system that is one hundred percent pure and only has one linage.
fu jow pai under Wai Hong
fu jow pai under wai hong???
C’mon plez, we are seeing a new branch appear before our eyes.
Do i need to mention, Tak Wah.
what about fukien five ancestors fists? or duck fist( this is a sourthern style, right?)
but kung fu systems like hung jia chien and choy li fut that have only one lineage , right ?
Nope. hate to burst your bubble. Choy Li Fut has Buk Sing, Hung Sing, Chan and Wing? lineages. Those are the main ones atleast. Hung gar has at the least the Village style and the “modern” style created by Wong fei Hung. The more famous a style is the more interpretations it has. I could say Pan Gai Noon but that tradition is not really in China anymore. Thats the only one i can think of. Kung Fu history is pretty secretive so it’d be impossible to get an absolutely answer, you’ll have to do alot more digging than a post on a forum to find out. May i ask why you want to know this info. Not trying to be rude, i just think its an interesting question.
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crazybuddha
With full respects to Grand master Wai Hung i dont ‘think’ he is the ‘only’ true black tiger grandmaster.
I know of him and know he himself keeps his organisation pure but that doesnt stop his ex students or even his old training partners from forming there own organisitions.
I could name of shoots of Master Wai Hungs linage right now, Tak Wah is certainly one of them.
In this respect you could not really qualify Fu Jow Pai as the ONLY Black Tiger school around. GM Wai Hungs certainly does his best to keep his art pure and his linage intact but i dont think it somehow makes him imune to the same problems that have besiged CMA for centurys.
Incendently one the orginal Black Tiger masters was a student of Wong Kai Ying of Hung Ga fame. When he finished the Black Tiger he passed on the knowledge to WKY who then added some to Hung Ga.
You can see just by this that the chances of others having a different interpretation of Black Tiger going back hundreds of years is VERY high.
All im saying is i dont think that Fu Jow Pai (fu -tiger Jow-claw) is the only interpretation of Black Tiger around.
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Yeah…Tak Wah doesn’t represent Fu Jow now.
We will see what happends after Wai Hong “starts walking the last mile.”
Originally posted by Leonidas
Nope. hate to burst your bubble. Choy Li Fut has Buk Sing, Hung Sing, Chan and Wing? lineages. Those are the main ones atleast. Hung gar has at the least the Village style and the “modern” style created by Wong fei Hung. The more famous a style is the more interpretations it has. I could say Pan Gai Noon but that tradition is not really in China anymore. Thats the only one i can think of. Kung Fu history is pretty secretive so it’d be impossible to get an absolutely answer, you’ll have to do alot more digging than a post on a forum to find out. May i ask why you want to know this info. Not trying to be rude, i just think its an interesting question.
what is pan gai noon? i have not heard of that until now.
you see im not a practicioner of any martial art as of the moment but i am planning to study one in the future. i want to study a chinese martial art , preferably a southern style( to save me a lot of pain from all those leg streching for high kicks) but i want to study a kung fu style that has only one lineage, i just don’t like the idea that there is more than one kind of a particular style or even a system.
i would prefer to study a style rather than a system because systems have too many techniques and forms, learning an entire style alone is improbable enough, learning an entire system is literally impossible( at least for people like me), i used to think there was only one kind of pakua chang and only one kind of southern praying mantis, now i find out there are many different lineages, and i have no idea what makes lineage one different from the other. i also used to think that wing chun and a northern style called pa chi chien only had one lineage too. but now i hear that they have more than one too.
looks like im running out of options, and now i find out that even kung fu systems like choy li fut and hung jia chien also have variations !
why can’t people just stick to the original ?
why can’t there be just one kind or lineage of a fist style or system?
Mauy Thaiboxing
You might as well just learn Mauy Thaiboxing it is a good Art to learn it would be easyer to learn than Chinese Martial Arts great Elbow, knee ,and kicking techniques .There is a small walking form called Yaang Saam Khum this is the famous stealthy Thai boxers walk. I have a giant book on Thai boxing that has alot of stuff on the art and three other books on Thai boxing too .Thai boxing is one of my favorite Martial Arts .