the taijiquan i’ve seen shi yanming and others do actually is chen style.
the shaolin taijiquan that we do that looks similar to chen style is called shaolin mianquan- cotton boxing.
[QUOTE=LFJ;873013]the taijiquan i’ve seen shi yanming and others do actually is chen style.
the shaolin taijiquan that we do that looks similar to chen style is called shaolin mianquan- cotton boxing.[/QUOTE]
Any place I can see this mian quan? I’d like to see if it is the same as their Rou Quan (soft boxing).
I know that many of the monks do actual Chen TJQ, since it is close to Shaolin.
Not many do Shaolin Chan TJQ anymore.
I did some some videos of it on goggle videos. Look up Shaolin tai ji or Chan tai ji
master deyang’s school is the only place i’ve ever seen it. they do it in their group performances a lot. someone posted it up on youtube from one of their demo dvds. but their account has been canceled. so all their videos are lost.
if you can see their demo dvds its on there, just labeled shaolin taijiquan. but the actual name used at the school is mianquan.
its not like rouquan at all. i’m not certain of its origin, but it looks very much like a mixture of movements from chen style and shaolin taizu changquan. the postures are more exaggerated.
[QUOTE=LFJ;873214]master deyang’s school is the only place i’ve ever seen it. they do it in their group performances a lot. someone posted it up on youtube from one of their demo dvds. but their account has been canceled. so all their videos are lost.
if you can see their demo dvds its on there, just labeled shaolin taijiquan. but the actual name used at the school is mianquan.
its not like rouquan at all. i’m not certain of its origin, but it looks very much like a mixture of movements from chen style and shaolin taizu changquan. the postures are more exaggerated.[/QUOTE]
Which demo DVD? Can you show me an image of the cover?
I will see if I have it.
you can see a video here:
http://www.russbo.tv/video/view_video.php?viewkey=a5425d6965fbd4c8fbe1
its not very clear with the lighting and the camera is moving around. but thats it. the hosts talk about it, saying its one of the earliest created forms and is spread all over china from henan. but you’ll notice a lot of taizu changquan/ chen style type movements. i’ll definitely have to ask about this one.
also its on these discs in slightly abbreviated versions:
http://plumpub.com/images/VCD2/vcd581.jpg
3rd disc here: http://plumpub.com/images/VCD2/vcd716.jpg
Its on The Original Boxing Tree of Traditional Shaolin Kung Fu series, the title is Appreciation of Shaolin Kung Fu and the demo is a group performance of it on disc #3. This is the version I learned from my Master and he just called it Shaolin Tai Ji.
I can’t get that Russbo video link to work, keeps timing out. Oops, okay, it’s working now.
Hmm, yeah, I see TZ Chang Yi Lu and Chen yi Lu movements in it. I have to look into this more.
Here’s various Shaolin taiji videos:
Here is Shaolin CHAN TJQ:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8955573882306813918
Here’s Shaolin’s version of CHEN TJQ:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-680290769183785622
here’s video of the Mian Quan style:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=970834130536700069
[QUOTE=Sal Canzonieri;873424]I can’t get that Russbo video link to work, keeps timing out. Oops, okay, it’s working now.
Hmm, yeah, I see TZ Chang Yi Lu and Chen yi Lu movements in it. I have to look into this more.
Here’s various Shaolin taiji videos:
Here is Shaolin CHAN TJQ:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8955573882306813918
Here’s Shaolin’s version of CHEN TJQ:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-680290769183785622[/QUOTE]
Sometimes I worry about the plethora of shaolin masters and the validity of their “martial arts”.
sal-
i dont know anything about that particular mianquan style you linked to. but i see no difference in the “chan” style taijiquan from any other chen style set.
as i understood it, the chen style taijiquan practiced in shaolin is in fact nothing more than chen style taijiquan, but its only called “chan” style in shaolin to differentiate the practice aim- which is chan buddhist training.
sha0lin1-
who is your master? its interesting because as i said i’ve only seen this shaolin mianquan (cotton boxing) done at master deyang’s school. in their performances its almost always a separate abbreviated version of the set.
[QUOTE=LFJ;873453]sal-
i dont know anything about that particular mianquan style you linked to. but i see no difference in the “chan” style taijiquan from any other chen style set.
as i understood it, the chen style taijiquan practiced in shaolin is in fact nothing more than chen style taijiquan, but its only called “chan” style in shaolin to differentiate the practice aim- which is chan buddhist training.
sha0lin1-
who is your master? its interesting because as i said i’ve only seen this shaolin mianquan (cotton boxing) done at master deyang’s school. in their performances its almost always a separate abbreviated version of the set.[/QUOTE]
My Master is Shi Xing Ying. When I learned it he just called it Shaolin Tai Ji, he did not give me a specific form name, he just said it was the Temples version of Tai Ji. This is not something he teaches to the general public, he teaches them Yang or Chen. Next time I see him I will ask if this form has a specific name.
thats awesome. 
yeah, sure. ask him about shaolin mianquan (cotton boxing).
[QUOTE=LFJ;873649]thats awesome.
yeah, sure. ask him about shaolin mianquan (cotton boxing).[/QUOTE]
LFJ, I asked him this weekend. He said that Shaolin Tai Ji is known as Shaolin Tai Ji and there is the 24 posture and 42 posture forms of it. I asked him about Mian Quan but he did not seem to understand because he kept telling me I already knew Lian Huan Quan..ha ha. So I asked him about Cotton Boxing and he looked at me really strange. I don’t know maybe my Texmandarin was confusing him. Shifu speaks good English now but he sometimes has trouble.
we know they are the same sets we’re talking about anyhow.
it sounds to me that the name shaolin “taiji” would be a secular understanding of “internal” styles applied generically to shaolin’s “version”, simply calling it “shaolin taiji” without taking note of the difference with shaolin/ buddhism and other systems.
having a less generic name like “mianquan” would help narrow the historical search. but i have only just now heard of it being practiced outside of master deyang’s school.
so i guess that helps a bit, but the name “shaolin taiji” probably wont get very far on its own.
thanks for your contribution, btw.