Sorry, should read everything again before I write
I remembered MantisifuFW post wrong: thought WHF has two parts and CCM not, but it’s vice versa. But: In the LKW-lineage I know only about one part, and it depends on how you count the techniques,of course, it has about 36 movements. It beginns with tso choi left and left hill-climbing stance, second technique grabbing an imagined right opponents arm with both hands(close them to fist) and pulling to ones right side while doing a tsa toi(knee or shin-kick) right simultaneously third technique: after the kick directly go to toppling kick with filching stance,(page 93 yellow LKW book) then: block right , straight punch left in right hill-climbing stance.. and so on. that’s the beginning of our version.. part one- it is- should remember the p.ms also..
Re: Sorry, should read everything again before I write
Originally posted by tanglang I remembered MantisifuFW post wrong: thought WHF has two parts and CCM not, but it’s vice versa. But: In the LKW-lineage I know only about one part, and it depends on how you count the techniques,of course, it has about 36 movements. It beginns with tso choi left and left hill-climbing stance, second technique grabbing an imagined right opponents arm with both hands(close them to fist) and pulling to ones right side while doing a tsa toi(knee or shin-kick) right simultaneously third technique: after the kick directly go to toppling kick with filching stance,(page 93 yellow LKW book) then: block right , straight punch left in right hill-climbing stance.. and so on. that’s the beginning of our version.. part one- it is- should remember the p.ms also..
tanglang,
I thought we were discussing White Ape Steals the Peach. Your description sounds like the opening for what I know to be White Ape Exits the Cave.
The openings in the Lee Kam Wing branch of
Ba Yuen TT and BYchot Dong are the same.
By the way: Kai Uwe, do you have any documentation about the:
yat lou ba yuen kuei yin kuen
and yee lou ba yuen kuei yin?
(translated something like: white ape watching the bankett)
Re: Re: Sorry, should read everything again before I write
Originally posted by Young Mantis
[B]
tanglang,
I thought we were discussing White Ape Steals the Peach. Your description sounds like the opening for what I know to be White Ape Exits the Cave.
YM [/B]
The Lam Wing Kit book lists those as the first five moves of White Ape Steals the Peach, 1st road. The 6th move is horse stance bo chui. So the first six moves are same as our White Ape Exits Cave (1st road).
7th, 8th, and 9th moves are the bung-kick-run sequence and this is where the form begins to differ from White Ape Exits Cave.
Originally posted by tanglang Does anyone know why there is a part one and a part two in WHF-system?
Ursa Major is correct. In WHF side, we do White Ape Exits Cave(1st road) and White Ape Steals the Peach(2nd road). We don’t do the other ones.
WHF and Sifu Lai both have said that they reduced the number of sets taught to cut down on redundant material. Sifu Lee Kam Wing also says something similar in his books. So this may be a reasonable explanation.
Looking at the Lam Wing Kit text for 1st road of White Ape Steals Peach, it does look like those sequences and transitions are present in other forms.
I also heard from Sifu and our Sibaks in HK that WHF reduced the number of hand sets in the system for his curriculum. However, in regards to Bahk Yuen Tao Tow, there has always been only one set consisting of 24 movements and not a first and second road.
Originally posted by NPM However, in regards to Bahk Yuen Tao Tow, there has always been only one set consisting of 24 movements and not a first and second road.
Sihing NPM,
Sorry for my confusing post. I only meant to say that as taught by Sifu Lai, our Bahk Yuen Tao Tow corresponds to the 2nd road as listed in the Lam Wing Kit book.
I’m unfamiliar with the history or background of their 1st road, as I’ve only known what they have listed as 2nd road.
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