Kong. Florida is too far away. Way too far away.
I don’t want to fight you anyway becuase you are NHB fighter. I already know that brazilian jiujitsu and muy thai are good. I already know those styles are good. Those are the styles I support. I’m just saying that kung fu is horrible.
I want to fight a Kung Fu Only fighter. Someone who does ONLY kung fu. If a BJJ/Muy Thai guy beats me up, it doesn’t prove kung fu to be effective
HAHAHA!
Kung fu means “hard work”, I am sure that you meant to say that “traditional chinese style martial artists” were humiliated.
My response to your trolling thread would be:
There is no dishonor in losing to an honorable oponent.
If the gracies have ANY honor, how could it be humiliating to lose to them?
HMMMMM?
HAHA! You are very entertaining!
just a few pennies from a pig…
IronPig
I think rolls loves kung fu in reality.That’s why he’s in here so much instead of practicing!
Rolls,what kung fu masters are you talking about?Never heard of them.What style did they train?
Calm down.What do you have to prove?If you think bjj is the best then good for you and quit bothering us about it,by the way haven’t the gracies been losing thir past matches like it says on the other thread.
On last thing kenpo is not kung fu.It’s a martial hybrid so you can’t claim that.
Calm down and train hard..
“Always be ready”
Roll/Kudokan,
You sure do talk a lot for someone who doesn’t compete. I’m a BJJer and judo player as well who doesn’t compete much, but I don’t run my mouth off LOL. Hope you don’t do that in real life. 
Ryu
judo legend, Masahiko Kimura
Ryu!!! Of course i don’t talk like that in real life.
Ah good. Just making sure LOL.
Carry on then. 
Ryu
judo legend, Masahiko Kimura
Josh,
Why don’t you talk like that in real life?
If one fighter beats another it does not mean that a style is better than another. For example, one of my kung fu bro’s fought in a sport jujitsu tournement and beat a bjj stylist. Next match he lost to a bjj stylist.
Does the first match mean that kung fu is better than bjj, or course not.
Does the second match mean that bjj is better than kung fu, again no
Also, these fights do not mean that a fighter will always beat another, he might lose to the person he beat before, and might beat the person who beat him if they fought again.
The more you fight different styles, the more you start to realize that no style is superior to another.
In my opinion the best fighters are the most mentally prepared for the fights. When you watch Royce Gracie fight, ecspecially in the earlier ufc’s, you can see that he is very prepared mentally. This holds for all great fighters, look at Roy Jones and Mosley. Not only are they physically prepared, but in their minds they are ready for war.
Unless you are experience in fighting, you probably dont know what i am talking about, but if you have fought in a lot of tournements you know about that butterfly feeling that will cause you to fight horribly (no matter how physically prepared you are) if you are not mentally prepared for it.
I dont give a God damn,
on the fights you did,
how many moves you got,
or who knows you kid,
cause i don’t know you therefore show me what you know,
i come sharp as a blade and i’ll cut you slow (GZA Wu-Tang Clan)
Chris V.
>>>Keith Hackney was an air conditioning or window installation guy who practiced kempo a couple nights a week, and by Royce’s admission struck harder than Kimo, Shamrock, or Severn.<<<
You forgot to mention he was a former Navy SEAL. Just the intensity and mind-set those guys have would make 'em a worthy opponent for most people.
“Who’s house?”
“I said RUN’s house.”
Intensity would be about the only attribute that would carry over from his SEAL days. SEALS are not highly trained H2H experts. Conditioning fades quickly, and by his own admission he was only training part time. I am sure he was in killer shape in BUDS and through his time with the SEALS, but he doesn’t have perma-conditioning. The benefit of commando intensity/psyche however, is a valid point. As was mentioned, Royce was pretty intense also after me mauled by Rickson in his training. (PS Rickson taught US Seals when he was 18! You can buy the footage on the internet. Fabio Santos has also worked with the SEALs). SEALS spend like one billionth of their training time worrying about H2H.
The Tao is an uncarved block of wood in which all shapes are possible.
Yeah, everybody knows the SEALS barely train H2H. However, IMHO anybody that can make it through BUDS and then operate on a SEAL team is nobody I want to mess with regardless of technical skill.
“Who’s house?”
“I said RUN’s house.”
Anyone can claim to train the SEALs, there isn’t any universal SEAL training program after all. It is all up to the commander of the team and what he thinks his guys need, the Navy high ups for the most part stays out of it. Some SEAL teams are not designed for H2H combat and are unlikely to be put in such a situation (like the boat teams and UDT teams), others like SEAL Team 6 have a very strong chance of being put into a H2H situation. The only force in the United States that trains all there soldiers in H2H combat is the US Army’s Rangers which incorporates BJJ into it. Anyways my only point is, it isn’t that big a deal that Rickson was training SEALs, a lot of people can make the same claim and have, how do you think SCARS makes it’s money?-ED
Rangers and BJJ
GinSueDog, you may have gotten your info about the “Rangers doing BJJ” from an A&E show about fighting arts. The show interviewed some Ranger Captain that “just happend to be” a personal student of Rickson Gracie. While that portion of the show may have gave the impression that every Ranger studies BJJ as part of his training, that is in fact not the case. Just like the SEALs, each Ranger company has a lot of latitude about what they incorporate into their regular training, and individual Ranger Captains can set specific training requirements for the guys under their individual commands.
You know if I was a Ranger Captain, you’d be for damn sure that every person under my command would be training in Wing Chun – and there would not be a damn thing they could do about it. 
BTW, the captain they interviewed also said that, “this training has no place on the battlefield, and we would never try it in combat” but said the reason he had his men practice BJJ was to learn “discipline”.
You may have gotten your info from somewhere else, and if so I apologize.
Anyway, I’ve got a student cycling into Ranger training soon, so I’ll have to ask him if they make him do BJJ if he manages to make it through the training and get himself into a Ranger company.
“Learning without thought is labour lost; thought without learning is perilous.” – Confucious
Watchman,
From what I have heard and read, a program of twelve basics developed by the Torrance Academy for the Army is being taught as part of the ranger training. Any new rangers will have to learn those twelve basics as part of there hand to hand training inorder to become rangers. The rangers are the only US military force that requires all members to go through an extensive H2H training program as part of there ranger training (btw, that training program also includes Judo throws, karate style reverse punches, and muay thai kicks, an interesting mix). Most of my family has served or is currently serving in the military in one aspect or another, one of my Uncles was a ranger during Desert Storm and Panama. He got out just before Somalia.-ED
P.S.-I don’t know what all the twelve moves are, but from what I read most of it involves positioning. Maybe someone here may have more information, I know Knifefighter trains with Royce he may have more info on the program.
[This message was edited by GinSueDog on 03-29-01 at 03:46 PM.]
I respectfully stand corrected. Thanks for the additional information GinSueDog.
Watchman,
No problem, my only point was that people making claims to training military units really isn’t that big of a deal. I am curious as to what exactly is taught to various units as alot of it does involve whatever the CO thinks they need. I was surprized to see rangers reverse punching each other in the chest at there ranger school. Most hand to hand training from what I have heard is pretty basic and varies depending on the needs and wants of the CO. Let us know how it goes with your student, I am really curious. BTW, I did see a show on discovery about the rangers that had an interview with one of the drill instructors teaching the BJJ and he seemed kinda bias or inexperienced anyways. I think there were a lot of posts on it sometime ago.-ED
I understand that just getting through BUDS makes you a badass, but it doesn’t qualify you to step into a highly controlled enviornment like the octagon and fight somebody who trains 8+ hours a day for that particular scenario.
I also understand that it was no huge accomplishment as a MA to give one seminar to the SEAL teams. My point was that the SEALs don’t train H2H much, and they consider Rickson to be their senior in H2H knowledge even though he has never been to BUDS or acquired the diverse combat skills a SEAL has. It is a matter of Rickson and ROyce being specialists and SEALs have to operate in many more possible combat scenarios.
The Tao is an uncarved block of wood in which all shapes are possible.
SEALs in NHB
Stranger, a perfect case in point was one of the UFC 2 fighters named David Levicki. He actually served in SEAL Team 6 for five years during the whole Iran/Iraq fracas, but didn’t make it through the preliminaries of the Octagon.
I knew the guy personally and was there in Denver to see it all go down. Dave survived extended combat action in “the desert”, but got squelched in a NHB tournament. Go figure.
I remember David Levicki
He also fought in the Japanese Vale Tudo. He was a Wing Chun fighter and a big strong guy, unfortunately he met Rickson Gracie in the Semi finals and got squashed. Rickson was kind of a dick in that fight getting full mount and smashing David in the face well after he tapped out.
Yeah I remmember that Rickson,Levicki fight.David is massive,I’m sure he’s close to 6’8 300.Anywayz Rickson gave him a pretty bad beating,at one stage he was kind of sitting on him and driving knees into his back.