What are you, Batman?
its possible RD but you gotta realize that our family here in Buffalo came from the Decarlo family from Chicago in the mid 40’s. I am sure you know who I mean, the Decarlo family is legendary in Chicago.
but somethings for sure, the real outfit has little to do with the movie type reputations of strong arms and hostle take overs, they deal more with the garbage industry and the local unions than anything else, there is no such thing as the ruthless old school Mob anymore.
I know of many made guys and they play cards everyday at the same spot and some are cops, some are lawyers and union delegates and even polititions but none are MA muscle… ever since the RICO act and conspiriacy laws you are hard pressed to find the old school beat um up behavior
Don’t the Yakuza put some of their guys in professional full-contact tourneys?
conspiriacy laws you are hard pressed to find the old school beat um up behavior
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Untill reacently i would agree with you, but in light of some of the things occuring at the alledged, Chicago outfit controlled, Crazy horse strip club in Vegas, I’d have to say that Chicago is running business as useual…despite all of the reacent high profile aressts and court cases of the top bosses here.
http://americanmafia.com/Inside_Vegas/1-30-06_Inside_Vegas.html
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Dec-22-Sun-2002/news/20329815.html
Don’t the Yakuza put some of their guys in professional full-contact tourneys?
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I had heard that as well.
Also, I do know a former (and now decesed) MA tournament promoter here in Chicago was in a top position with the Chicago Outlaws, which is a criminal Biker gang for those who don’t know.
My take is that Martial arts today is still pretty big in the criminal underworld.
My take is that Martial arts today is still pretty big in the criminal underworld
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I don’t see how you showcased any evidence of this at all or at least I don’t see it. I think the problem with the above statement is the use of the term martial arts.
Martial arts speaks of a system of organized training, where with educated street criminals its more about using dirty tricks, tactics and whatever means necessary to get the job done as fast as possible.
Most likely using a weapon, gun, knife, club, strangulation, whatever. If organized crime guys beat up on one dude at the Crazy Horse, which I have been to btw and the girls were not bad, that is more about good and simple tactics to get the job done than anything else.
Did I not post an artical showing my former Kung fu instructor? He’s Joey The Clowns Younger Brother…and managed the floor at crazy horse…Ergo Italian Mob and Kung Fu.
My post is more general than that though, I am actually wanting to discuss the practice of Kung Fu, and Martial arts in general in organised Crime over all.
I know it’s prevelant in the Outllaws, and i have seen examples in the Chicago Outfit.
Doesn’t it make sense that groups with tendancies towards violence would seek violent hobbies or pass times? I have been told by asociates of the Outllaws (For example) that the basements of thier club houses are fully set up fighting gyms. So what does that tell you?
Wouldn’t it also make sense that in order to bolster your rep, you’d want good fighters backing you up as well? Sometimes big muscle is all that is. Lot’s of big guys and bruisers can’t fight worth a lick.
Yeah, that is exactly my point!! We had the Outlaws running at least one comercial Dojo that I know of, a high ranking family member of The Chicago Outfit involved with at least one comercial Kung fu school that i know for sure, the Outlaws are known to run fighting tournaments as well, and often farm thier guys out to work security at concerts and such. it just makes sense that Martial a ts would be a mainstay as a recreational activity for them, if not down right serious training.
Ergo Italian Mob and Kung Fu
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Not really man. At least not in the general category you want to discuss it in anyway. Just because one or even a few individuals undertakes a martial art interest does make the whole pie.
I have been told by asociates of the Outllaws (For example) that the basements of thier club houses are fully set up fighting gyms. So what does that tell you
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It tells me they are people who like to fight, mix it up a bit and stay in shape. It states nothing about kung fu at all, if anything it would be a mix of streetfighting tactics and boxing.
I have met a couple of Outlaws before, though I think they were called the Bandidos at that faction, I was close friends with the younger brother of one who overdosed on H back in the early 90’s. Guys I met were tough and scary dudes, guns, buck knifes, dirty boxing, hidden weapons, just all in fighting type stuff, but nothing organized in terms of systems.
Black Jack II - Martial arts speaks of a system of organized training, where with educated street criminals its more about using dirty tricks, tactics and whatever means necessary to get the job done as fast as possible.
My teacher’s teacher was pretty heavily involved in tongs (sorry, I don’t really know the specifics) in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. He grew up with some martial arts training in China, and then moved to the US and got involved in gangs. He started training kung fu again as a way to support some of the gang related violence. He trained traditional northern mantis, which is an “system of organized training” full of “dirty tricks, tactics and whatever means necessary”.
He went back to China to complete his training with a grandmaster there. Through that transformational experience he came to the belief that he should no longer participate in gang activity. When he returned to the US he “retired” from the gang and opened up his own praying mantis kung fu school. However, the gang often continued to impose their will on him. For example, every time he held promotions or testings, the tong would have representatives on hand to watch/recruit successful students.
Although he was never able to fully extricate himself completely from organized crime, he did keep my sifu as insulated as possible. It also helped that my sifu wasn’t Asian; the tongs weren’t as interested in recruiting him.
But that was back in the day. I don’t know if any of the “associations” train in any traditional kung fu anymore. I do know that plenty of them have lion dance troupes…
we are talking organized crime right?
there is violence in organized crime right?
when you have a group of people where violence is involved, there will be those who are interested and involved in martial arts. its only natural to have at least one bad muthafrucker on the payroll for instances where he WOULD come in handy.
you have to have all the tools if you want to get the job done, especially if you handle many different types of situations.
if i was a mob boss of any type, you can bet your sweet @ss i would have some skilled fighters behind me. of course they would also be strapped.
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its only natural to have at least one bad muthafrucker on the payroll for instances where he WOULD come in handy.
thats only natural but its not the martial arts that make him a bad muthfrucker its the internal psychology of the guy that pulls that trick off. These kinds of people don’t want to fight, they want to make money, fighting is a waste of time to them.
Get in and get the job done.
of course they want money. what crime organization doesnt?
but your going to sit there and type that some hired muscle out there has no passion for causing pain on others?
please
but your going to sit there and type that some hired muscle out there has no passion for causing pain on others?
Where did I type that???
What did I just say about the psychology of the person that makes a difference?
It’s not about martial arts dude, this is not Big Trouble in Little China, these people are dangerous because of there mentality, any martial arts they personally take for recreation means not much in the long run.
I think royal was looking for any stories of organized training.
ahh.
gotcha, organized mafia trainin…i wouldnt think so much…i could see this more in yakuza or triad…culturally speaking, but i would bet less now than back in the day…of course i would not completely discount it.
individuals training on their own to fkuck peeps up for $$…for sure…
ndividuals training on their own to fkuck peeps up for $$…for sure…
I agree, I am sure some do, rough people like rough activties. I also took out the roll-eyes, I was not aware how d!cky it looked.
Cheers
nah…
i take it all with a grain of salt bro.
its the internet… rolleyes away!!
