kicks to the balls

Ball shots can definitely hurt but as it’s been said most of the time you can push through the pain and keep fighting. I’ve been kicked there a bunch and have a little boy genius so I don’t think there’s much to worry about after your stones heal.

I’d like to point out one thing that hasn’t been mentioned. Most men grow up protecting their balls so even the amateurs who don’t know how to fight will block that area pretty well. It’s just natural. With that in mind I don’t think it should be the first place to target in a fight.

[QUOTE=Pete;1255646]maybe i’ll work on creating my first child before incorporating that kind of ‘mental’ conditioning into training :eek:[/QUOTE]

lol… I didn’t mean to insinuate that it was something to be done on purpose. I’m just sayin… It happens. When it does you should try to get through it rather than just drop and give up. Anyone who has sparred has been accidentally kicked in the nuts. If you haven’t, how hard could you be sparring? Inside leg kicks miss their target, it happens. If you call a time out every time you get fouled, then how prepared are you for a real confrontation or a sport fight, really? In sports, some fouls get by the ref. What are you gonna do? Give up? You should at least try to push passed it. Knowhatimsayin?

[QUOTE=GoldenBrain;1255657]I’d like to point out one thing that hasn’t been mentioned. Most men grow up protecting their balls so even the amateurs who don’t know how to fight will block that area pretty well. It’s just natural. With that in mind I don’t think it should be the first place to target in a fight.[/QUOTE]

Many years ago, when I did Kenpo, it was mandatory for us to wear cups at all times in class. Groin shots were a common and even preferred target in sparring.

We made contact there in sparring and in partner exercises. Everybody knew when you hit the target because the cup would make a popping sound. Even if you knew you could get kicked, you couldn’t always defend from it. One guy passed out from getting kicked so hard that his cup broke.

A few years ago, a Karate school I was working out with went to visit a Kenpo school for friendly sparring. The Karate guys all got dropped with groin shots, even the blackbelts. They grew up protecting their balls, but they still got dropped. The Kenpo guys trained for that target. The Karate guys didn’t.

I had an adult student get dropped by a groin kick from a six year old during practice.

[QUOTE=Syn7;1255658]Knowhatimsayin?[/QUOTE]

yeah i get ya :stuck_out_tongue:

although i was just play fighting with my shifu after class so not really a good test if i would drop ‘on the street’ or not but next time i hope i’ll take it better lol

hmm thinking about nutshots i may have a few vids i can upload from sparring :smiley:

[QUOTE=-N-;1255665]I had an adult student get dropped by a groin kick from a six year old during practice.[/QUOTE]

lol!

[QUOTE=-N-;1255665]One guy passed out from getting kicked so hard that his cup broke.[/QUOTE]

Ouch!:eek: It takes a lot to break a cup so I imagine that did hurt a bit.

Cups were mandatory in everything I’ve studied. In my last school it was a valid target as well, but we normally only use a kick to the groin as one of the counters for certain kicks such as roundhouse, side and spin kicks. The preferred kick to use for that counter is what we call a snake kick which is something like a front kick and crescent kick combined with the toe or top of the foot being the striking point. It’s a pretty fast kick that sort of comes out of nowhere.

[QUOTE=-N-;1255665]Many years ago, when I did Kenpo, it was mandatory for us to wear cups at all times in class. Groin shots were a common and even preferred target in sparring.

We made contact there in sparring and in partner exercises. Everybody knew when you hit the target because the cup would make a popping sound. Even if you knew you could get kicked, you couldn’t always defend from it. One guy passed out from getting kicked so hard that his cup broke.

A few years ago, a Karate school I was working out with went to visit a Kenpo school for friendly sparring. The Karate guys all got dropped with groin shots, even the blackbelts. They grew up protecting their balls, but they still got dropped. The Kenpo guys trained for that target. The Karate guys didn’t.

I had an adult student get dropped by a groin kick from a six year old during practice.[/QUOTE]

Back when I studied Kenpo, we also used groin attacks. My teacher not only used kicks, but also hand strikes (hard slaps from different angles, back fists, etc.).

Common counters to mid-or-high kicks included ‘lift kicks’, which were similar to low front or side leg raises coming up from underneath; a back heel snap by simply whipping your heel up with the knee down; if you parried his kick so his back’s to you, a ‘scoop’ kick, which you extended underneath then sharply pulled back and upwards, using the instep and toes to hook his groin. To initiate, most common was the lead-leg round kick. The ‘flip’ kick could be either initiating or countering…keeping the knee down and flipping the lower leg to hit with the outside edge of your foot.

Often, when stylists from styles like TKD, TSD, Shotokan, etc., came in to spar, they would quickly realize how open they’re groins were. Many of those other stylists were used to sparring without any thought to protecting their groins. Yes, cups were always a mandatory thing in our Kenpo school.

[QUOTE=Jimbo;1255674]Common counters to mid-or-high kicks included ‘lift kicks’, which were similar to low front or side leg raises coming up from underneath; a back heel snap by simply whipping your heel up with the knee down.[/QUOTE]

Heel snap, or as I call it, slap kick works well to counter mid to high kicks. I like to use front kicks or snake kick from the center line in front and slap kick from the 45’s to the outside.

Often, when stylists from styles like TKD, TSD, Shotokan, etc., came in to spar, they would quickly realize how open they’re groins were.

This was my experience as well. It’s kinda funny to watch that realization flash across their face.

Something I noticed TKD guys doing when they would come to our school is bouncing up and down just before they kick. It’s a huge telegraph. I’m not sure if it’s particular to TKD but I’ve seen it a lot so I just assume it is.

[QUOTE=GoldenBrain;1255672]The preferred kick to use for that counter is what we call a snake kick which is something like a front kick and crescent kick combined with the toe or top of the foot being the striking point. It’s a pretty fast kick that sort of comes out of nowhere.[/QUOTE]

Brendan Lai called that a side cutting kick.

[QUOTE=Jimbo;1255674]Common counters to mid-or-high kicks included ‘lift kicks’, which were similar to low front or side leg raises coming up from underneath[/QUOTE]

First tournament I went to, I used that kick to catch a guy coming at me with a tornado kick.

[QUOTE=GoldenBrain;1255680]Something I noticed TKD guys doing when they would come to our school is bouncing up and down just before they kick. It’s a huge telegraph.[/QUOTE]

Another one is tilting up the lead side hip.

[QUOTE=-N-;1255706]Another one is tilting up the lead side hip.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. I know there’s good TKD out there and the kicks can be brutal but it’s been so watered down in the U.S., kind of like many TCMA schools that the martial value has all but disappeared.

Brendan Lai called that a side cutting kick.

I’ve always found it fascinating how many names there can be for the same technique. It would be nice if things could be standardized but then which language would it be in and who gets to decide? (Now where’s that shrugs my shoulders emoticon?)

[QUOTE=Pete;1255425]so while training how many times have you been kicked in the nuts? and have you still been able to have kids after? :eek:[/QUOTE]

Let me ask you, brother… if I may call you a fellow brother??

How many times have YOU been kicked in the groin??
BTW…it is no shame being kicked in the NUTS…
but, you knew that, right? :slight_smile:

Hmm… as for me, about 19~27 times I guess…live and learn…heheheh… and regards to kids, she ran off…ohhh, my!!:smiley:

back in my tang soo do days, all the time, didnt even hurt much after a while, i dont have any kids,so maybe… i have also kicked people in the balls in at least a couple of real fights. works well,but doesn’t end the fight. push him,he will change at you wildly you quickly kick him in the nads,then after a few seconds stunned a few seconds later,they will charge again,and thenyou use your fist.

[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1255732]push him,he will change at you wildly you quickly kick him in the nads,then after a few seconds stunned a few seconds later,they will charge again,and thenyou use your fist.[/QUOTE]

Praying Mantis uses that as a strategy.

Head shot, groin kick, jump back. When he charges, counter and takedown. Very common sequence seen in forms.

too many times to count…

It happened a lot in my early tae kwon do training, it was hard core and no pads. Sometimes worse than others, rarely full on. Like any pain, conditioning is part of learning how it works.
I learned you have a few seconds until the pain really swells up, and the SOB is usually fat and happy they just scored and are waiting for you to go green faced. You have a window to attack to surprise them, and then a little window while they try to figure out how they just kicked you in the balls and you didn’t go down, to gather yourself. Its just instinct to drop to your knees, but unless you’ve been properly racked, its just pain, not injury.
Worst, by far and without equal was running down a guy setting up a cross in Soccer and catching a full cross field tee off from about 2 metres square in the wedding tackle. When I put my hand down to check, I expected to pull back blood…

Yeah, I’m a soccer player too, played a lot of coed. I’ve seen guys get dropped many times…:eek:

i’m in the blue shirt…maybe the other night was karma :stuck_out_tongue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa2cx6TnhVc&feature=youtu.be

[QUOTE=-N-;1255740]Praying Mantis uses that as a strategy.

Head shot, groin kick, jump back. When he charges, counter and takedown. Very common sequence seen in forms.[/QUOTE]

yeah man that **** works great,push him,he charges wildly kick him in the groin,when he returns wildly start striking in the face.

[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1255847]yeah man that **** works great,push him,he charges wildly kick him in the groin,when he returns wildly start striking in the face.[/QUOTE]

Why wait until he returns to finish it? Aren’t you giving up an opportunity to carry your advantage?

[QUOTE=Yum Cha;1255901]Why wait until he returns to finish it? Aren’t you giving up an opportunity to carry your advantage?[/QUOTE]

Groin shot takes a second or so to have an effect.

Going in immediately is one option. But he probably can fire off a few shots before the pain hits.

Or you can wait for split second, then go back in.

Or you can let him try to come to you.

But attack while he is mentally or physically compromised.