with another of those useless high kicks to the head. Good thing real fighters don’t get advice from Internet experts.
What amazed me was he was standing and walking after his foot was twisted 180 degrees when he fell. Ouch!
with another of those useless high kicks to the head. Good thing real fighters don’t get advice from Internet experts.
Big difference pulling that off in the safe confines of the ring, then doing it in some parking lot, failing, and getting stomped.
But go ahead and keep confusing the two.
Black Jack’s right, man. When you fight in the ring, fighter’s play it like a game, whihc includes pyschological games. Head kicks are often unexpected. And if you get unbalanced and taken to the floor, it’s not gonna punish you hitting the floor–not like getting slammed on concrete. And taking a barefoot stomp to the ribs is a whole different game than taking a frigging boot. And if you fall in the ring, you might get beat unconscious, but on the concrete, you might get stomped to death or disability. And nobody’s gonna run to your corner. You’re gonna crawl to the end of the street and flag down a car, or die.
It’s a risk thing. Could a high kick work in combat? Sure. But is the risk, the opening worth it? Probably not.
Great fight tho… Really liked Bispo vs. elvis.
The unexpected is the unexpected. I do know people who can and have used high kicks to take someone out.
I missed the darn fight, my wife grabbed the TV and switched it to Home Shopping Network. :mad:
Heck, I’ve done it and anybody who knows me knows how funny THAT is.
The prohibition against it is ‘entry level’ knowledge. After that it is risk/reward assesment. The simple fact is that it is a high risk move that creates significant gaps. But like anything - good timing/good opportunity and it’s magic.
[QUOTE=rogue;756357]The unexpected is the unexpected. I do know people who can and have used high kicks to take someone out. [/QUOTE]
And who is more likely to get caught with the unexpected, a street punk or a skilled pro fighter? If a pro fighter can be taken out with a head kick I’d think it would be much easier with an untrained punk.
I think it works in the ring because of the prevailing attitude that it’s too risky.
I kicked a guy in the head sparring in a tourney once and afterwards he told me he didn’t try to block it because he was tall and nobody in his class could kick that high so he never considered he would get hit.
I like doing the unexpected, it works for me. If it doesn’t work for others then they should just stick with their comfort zone.
Kicks are stronger than punches. I don’t have a knockout punch but I do have really good balance and flexability. Maybe it’s just a matter of what you’re good at doing.
[QUOTE=Mas Judt;756356]Great fight tho… Really liked Bispo vs. elvis.[/QUOTE]
What happened to Elvis, he forget all his BJJ or something? He must have really been rocked early on because he was lost on his back for most of the fight.
[QUOTE=rogue;756357]The unexpected is the unexpected. I do know people who can and have used high kicks to take someone out.
I missed the darn fight, my wife grabbed the TV and switched it to Home Shopping Network. :mad:[/QUOTE]
i believe they are broadcasting it again today on spike
I have kicked many a man in the head and knocked him out cold. Doing so in a ring is even easier, such as these openings arise left and right. But being such as a skilled high-kicker is above mere triflings such as tournaments, I don’t enter into these competitions anymore. They’re simply too simple.
[QUOTE=Kung Pao;756353]Black Jack’s right, man. When you fight in the ring, fighter’s play it like a game, whihc includes pyschological games. Head kicks are often unexpected. And if you get unbalanced and taken to the floor, it’s not gonna punish you hitting the floor–not like getting slammed on concrete. And taking a barefoot stomp to the ribs is a whole different game than taking a frigging boot. And if you fall in the ring, you might get beat unconscious, but on the concrete, you might get stomped to death or disability. And nobody’s gonna run to your corner. You’re gonna crawl to the end of the street and flag down a car, or die.[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe you know anything about fighting. You must utilize the greatest weapon in your arsenal at the first opening, and utilize it well. This weapon is, without a doubt, the head kick.
Don’t feed the troll.
knock it off already. :rolleyes:
i was disapointed.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;756389]i was disapointed.[/QUOTE]
Why? It sure wasn’t boring!
Of course you can use a high kick in a fight and of course it may work but high kicking often functions on a advanced degree of athleticism and fine motor skill, these are attributes that are harder to keep up with age to be overall effective and give less general efficiency to the average person, than a less chambered low line kick.
My point is why practice something if you are in specifc talking about self defense that tends without constant practice to lose effectiveness rapidly without a certain maintenance of attributes.
Like Mas Judt said, its a risk/reward thing. Sometimes the greater the risk the better the reward but how much is to much of a cost if it fails??
Anything can fail BJ, and even basic skills can deteriorate without practice. I’m not a high kicker but I’ve clipped guys in the chin with a basic front kick, and the kick doesn’t take a lot effort to maintain. And you’re right that there are techniques that depend on some advanced degree of athleticism and fine motor skill, but I would hope that after all these years of training that I’m not a totally out of shape old guy and that there are a few that I can pull off. The way I’ve been training we avoid the idea that any technique is off the table. Sometimes the high risk move is the best choice.
[QUOTE=Yao Sing;756363]What happened to Elvis, he forget all his BJJ or something? He must have really been rocked early on because he was lost on his back for most of the fight.[/QUOTE]
BJJ is not the same in MMA as it is in BJJ.
That is precisely why kung fu is superior in fighting. I leave people on their backs. I never proffer it as a recourse to talent.
Rogue,
Of course anything can work, at some point in time, some where, some guy used the most out of bounds fine motor skill technique to get out of a jam. But that was some other guy, in the past at some other time, who may or may not of been able to pull it off under a slight change in circumstances.
I look at things different, unless I am training something esotric because its just always fun to learn new things, to try and force them into the toolbox, I keep a lot of stuff off the table. This is not myopic, its just a realistic perspective on what my goals are, I am not looking to be the next Bruce Lee, but to just be a tough target and not be the next man’s lunch meat.
Keeping 1,000 responses to the same attack does me no good, learning 1,000 variations of the same strike does me no good, it actually insults my intelligence. Having a core skill set that I feel comfortable with, that I find combative logic in, that I can most importantly remeber under stress, is what feels right for me.