A video clip would be cool Joy 
but it looks like we have very similar methods with the legs and feet
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1177884]would you happen to know if there are any links on youtube or anywere else that show some of the applications or the actual kicking form itself. I would love to see them especially because I I donât know too much in regards to how your lineage feels about handling certain things.[/QUOTE]
I know itâs nt helpful but no, I havenât seen too many clips from our lineage out there other than the form itself (which is more changeable than the sea lol!)
I did take some wicked footage over in Germany as this was something shared at a seminar I was involved with. The guys were all about learning how and when to use specific methods because, like the hands, if you experiment for the sake of it you can go the totally wrong way with the knowledge. They knew what they were doing and how to acheive maxmium effect with minimal movement, all paired with the hands too so it just made sense to me.
I canât share the footage though. Promises are promisesâŚ
Hereâs a good rendition of my uncle Sifu Austin Gohs kicking form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rOAbqbA3wk
The London Wing Chun Acadey has some good legwork in their promotional clip too. Not our lineage, but very close to us as theyâre linked to Sifu Simon Lau
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1177887]Hereâs a good rendition of my uncle Sifu Austin Gohs kicking form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rOAbqbA3wk[/QUOTE]
oh I forgot that you guys are connected to austin goh if thatâs the case then Iâm fully aware of his way of doing things. I know this is kind of off topic but what do you think about his human energy stuff? PM me if you like?
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1177885]A video clip would be cool Joy but it looks like we have very similar methods with the legs and feet[/QUOTE]
See Brian Tufts doing the Augustine Fong dummy formâŚwatch the kicks and the close quarters footwork.
[QUOTE=Happy Tiger;1177869]I have a couple o questions for the gang. What do u feel is the limit in # (if any) to kicking in combination in real combat, one opponent. Also, opinions on kicking while moving backwards. Thanx.[/QUOTEno opinions?
[QUOTE=Happy Tiger;1177891][QUOTE=Happy Tiger;1177869]I have a couple o questions for the gang. What do u feel is the limit in # (if any) to kicking in combination in real combat, one opponent. Also, opinions on kicking while moving backwards. Thanx.[/QUOTEno opinions?[/QUOTE]
0, 1 or 2.
[QUOTE=Paddington;1177854]Would most of you include trips, sweeps etc. as a part of the kicking curriculum? [/QUOTE]
Now you have just moved from the striking into the throwing. In order to make the sweep work, there are others skills that are needed.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1177856]Initial kicks I favour speed over power âŚ[/QUOTE]
Agree! 80% of the time that kick will miss anyway. Itâs better to use it just as to build âleg bridgeâ.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1177887]Hereâs a good rendition of my uncle Sifu Austin Gohs kicking form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rOAbqbA3wk[/QUOTE]
Very Cool.
[QUOTE=Happy Tiger;1177869]I have a couple o questions for the gang. What do u feel is the limit in # (if any) to kicking in combination in real combat, one opponent. Also, opinions on kicking while moving backwards. Thanx.[/QUOTE]
I usually either not kick, or if I do I usually do 2. Rarely 3.
My first kick is usually for coverage, set up etc; hence it is always followed by something else, such as another kick, a punch, an elbow strike etc. Anyway, the mentality is to go ballistic at the opponent and continuously attacking him until he is down, before he could even breathe. Then hit him a bit more just in case 
Rarely 3, because it takes too long. A real fight engagement is a very unstable equilibrium.
I hate going backwards. If a large force is charging at me I prefer to do it like a Matador. Fool the bull, move out of harmâs way and stab the bull in the back.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1177883]In Augusting Fongâs teachings:
Leg Development
Jing Dok Lop ma (front single leg)
Wang Dok Lop ma (side single leg)
Jing/Wang Dang Gurk (slow nailing front and side kick)
Jing/Wang Tai Gurk (slow front and side raising kick)
Gaan Gurk (5 Leg Blocks) Soo, Bong, Gaan, Pak Sut, Wu Sut
Yin/Yang Rotation of Kicking (Front Kick up/ Down, Side Kick up/Down)
Jing Gurk Jut Gurk
Pak Gurk in Air
Wu Gurk in Air
Bong Gurk Chai Gurk
Huen Jing Gurk
Huen Wang Gurk
Tiu Chai Gurk
Tiu Dang Gurk[/QUOTE]
Years ago, when I use to learn from Sifu Derek Fung (student of Ip Man), we use to train what he called âWing Chun 8 Kicksâ. For the life of me I cannot recall all the eight kicks.
Yes, VM, it would be nice to see the kicks you mentioned in action.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1177901]Years ago, when I use to learn from Sifu Derek Fung (student of Ip Man), we use to train what he called âWing Chun 8 Kicksâ. For the life of me I cannot recall all the eight kicks.
Yes, VM, it would be nice to see the kicks you mentioned in action.[/QUOTE]
Hey John
What was Derek like? I believe he is still teaching?
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1177899]I usually either not kick, or if I do I usually do 2. Rarely 3.
My first kick is usually for coverage, set up etc; hence it is always followed by something else, such as another kick, a punch, an elbow strike etc. Anyway, the mentality is to go ballistic at the opponent and continuously attacking him until he is down, before he could even breathe. Then hit him a bit more just in case
Rarely 3, because it takes too long. A real fight engagement is a very unstable equilibrium.
I hate going backwards. If a large force is charging at me I prefer to do it like a Matador. Fool the bull, move out of harmâs way and stab the bull in the back.[/QUOTE]
Thanks! I like your approach
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1177873]wouldnât you be afraid that if you missed all your weight would be on the kicking leg. [/QUOTE]
You can borrow the counter force from the ground to pull your stomp kick back. If you can stomp, pull back, and stomp within 1 second, you will have developed very good âchain stompsâ.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1177913]You can borrow the counter force from the ground to pull your sto. mp kick back. If you can stomp, pull back, and stomp within 1 second, you will have developed very good âchain stompsâ.[/QUOTE]
I see. I will try it out on the dummy.
[QUOTE=GlennR;1177903]Hey John
What was Derek like? I believe he is still teaching?[/QUOTE]
He is very skilled, and a totally nice guy. He ended up getting on very well with TST so you can see a bit of TST in him. I must say, this is from way back, so much could have been changed.
He is still teaching, I think Burwood (???). Best to google him.
As an insight into Sam Kwokâs IM WCK - he says that there are 8 kicks in Wing Chun (and Dung Toi is not one of themâŚ). They are (as per the dummy form):
Jic Gerk
Wan Gerk
Chut Sun Jic Gerk
Wan Tan Gerk
Any other kicks are variations or combinations of the above.
Each is performed twice, once each side, making up the 8 kicks. He counts leg techniques such as Pak Gerk and Huen Gerk and even the Biu Ma motion as leg techniques to disrupt the opponentâs centre as opposed to a âkickâ.
Having commented on Dung Toi - Sam Kwok states that this was never a WCK kick and came from a mistelling of an IM story where he stopped an attacker with a foot to the belly and the assumption that, because IM performed the kick, that kick must be WCK. Canât vouch for the truth of that though.
Personally, I still use the Dung Toi kick within my CK form as it was taught to me because I see a use in it. Still on a personal level, I count Pak Gerk as a kick and Huen Gerk as a sweep but, like the hand techniques, the exact classification is irrelevant - itâs the use that counts.
If you boil them down, there are only two kicks (front and side) which can be performed in a variety of ways from different legs in different positions or at different levels.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1177888]oh I forgot that you guys are connected to austin goh if thatâs the case then Iâm fully aware of his way of doing things. I know this is kind of off topic but what do you think about his human energy stuff? PM me if you like?[/QUOTE]
Okay itâs cool that you are âfully awareâ of uncles teachings, although I have no ideas really what that means lol!
As for his human energy stuffs, his eldest student, Juerg Ziegler has just released a book on the matter but I can not really discuss as I know nothing of his practises, only what I see and read.
My Sigung had a wide ranging curriculum of Wing Chun, which included Heigung sets and understanding linked to his TCM practise (he was a qualified herbalist and TCM practitioner) but I wouldnât say this is the same as uncle Gohs methods as he has grown over the years through his own self study and other learning.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1177888]Years ago, when I use to learn from Sifu Derek Fung (student of Ip Man), we use to train what he called âWing Chun 8 Kicksâ. For the life of me I cannot recall all the eight kicks.[/QUOTE]
I think it is well to remember that the âeight kicksâ of Wing Chun are in a sense connected to the âeight chopping bladesâ, therefore connected to pairing the hands with the legs.
Many people use loose terms for the âtechniquesâ, but there are specifically âeight methodsâ of leg practise I am aware of, itâs just I can not share the details here.
there are many technical names for these leg methods, more than eight actually, but without the basic eight itâs simply all guess work IMHOâŚ
[QUOTE=Matt_WCK;1177932]Jic Gerk
Wan Gerk
Chut Sun Jic Gerk
Wan Tan Gerk
Any other kicks are variations or combinations of the above.[/QUOTE]
Interesting but very misleading IMHO.
Basically you are saying there are 2 âkicksâ that are Wan and Jic(Jeet), which I presume are the methods of revolving and straight which in turn are called (technically) Huen and Pak.
This is good solid information, but this is not the specific legwork I am talking of but more a breakdown of basic concepts for legwork motions⌠which I think is more connected to the original clip posted by John than what I am talking about too?