Hi, since not many threads on Kicking in WC, a very important part, I guess I may put up something VERY BRIEF to kick-start some discussions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBaQ7lNf24Y&feature=youtu.be
Cheers
There are lots of kicks in IM wing chun. Many kicks in dummy work and footwork helps with the kicks.
But hands are more frequently used. Have to be careful, on not being taken down when “you” lift your leg.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1177835]Hi, since not many threads on Kicking in WC, a very important part, I guess I may put up something VERY BRIEF to kick-start some discussions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBaQ7lNf24Y&feature=youtu.be
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Nice clip. In my current system most of our kicks are based on stomping like motions with only some exceptions.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1177836]There are lots of kicks in IM wing chun. Many kicks in dummy work and footwork helps with the kicks.
But hands are more frequently used. Have to be careful, on not being taken down when “you” lift your leg.[/QUOTE]
Yes, as such high kicks are opportunistic; either the opponent gives you the opportunity, or you create your opportunities (for example, by kicking low first).
I generally don’t like kicking higher than hips. After connecting your leg to the opponent’s elbows one learns very fast. 
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1177838]Nice clip. In my current system most of our kicks are based on stomping like motions with only some exceptions.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. The stomp is the mother of kicks.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1177844]Thanks. The stomp is the mother of kicks.[/QUOTE]
If you train for “stomp” kick, you should shift more weight onto your leading leg when you kick. You should have serious “intensity” as if you want to stomp a hole through the earth.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1177849]If you train for “stomp” kick, you should shift more weight onto your leading leg when you kick. You should have serious “intensity” as if you want to stomp a hole through the earth.[/QUOTE]
I see your point. In what I’m currently training the emphasis is more on the back (i.e. the non kicking leg) and tend not to put to much weight on the kicking leg, unless we have an absolute clear and stable target. But honestly I don’t ever really kick much since the hands take care of a lot and if I do kick I revert back to my MT training.
The stomp kick is very safe to use. It puts your opponent into defensive mode. In order to do so, you have to scare the sh!t out of your opponent when you stomp on his leg.
A stomp kick is a good strategy to enter into your opponent’s kicking range. That’s why the weight shifting is important.
Would most of you include trips, sweeps etc. as a part of the kicking curriculum? What about stepping through someones center? I ask as, in my experience at least, this seems to catch out a lot senior and experienced practitioners, in a chi sau context.
Just another quick Q regarding kicks and chum kui as practiced by those that studied under Ip Chun. How many of you use the lan sau position as a marker for whether one is raising the shoulders and telegraphing the dung toi in the second section?
Initial kicks I favour speed over power (not saying I don’t want power). I want stealth. Once the opponent’s momentum is broken we have plenty of time for finishing kicks.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1177844]Thanks. The stomp is the mother of kicks.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the clip, very cool. I love kicking being a long legged beastie. Jeet is the word for me when it comes to kicks.
I have a couple o questions for the gang. What do u feel is the limit in # (if any) to kicking in combination in real combat, one opponent. Also, opinions on kicking while moving backwards. Thanx.
[QUOTE=Paddington;1177854]Would most of you include trips, sweeps etc. as a part of the kicking curriculum? What about stepping through someones center? I ask as, in my experience at least, this seems to catch out a lot senior and experienced practitioners, in a chi sau context.
Just another quick Q regarding kicks and chum kui as practiced by those that studied under Ip Chun. How many of you use the lan sau position as a marker for whether one is raising the shoulders and telegraphing the dung toi in the second section?[/QUOTE]
Hi mate, not something I focus on too much but yes the lan sau can help as a guide as to whether the upper body is moving or not when kicking in the form.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1177851]The stomp kick is very safe to use. It puts your opponent into defensive mode. In order to do so, you have to scare the sh!t out of your opponent when you stomp on his leg.
A stomp kick is a good strategy to enter into your opponent’s kicking range. That’s why the weight shifting is important.[/QUOTE]
I understand but wouldn’t you be afraid that if you missed all your weight would be on the kicking leg. Unless of course missing the target is a non issue. I only say this because that has happened to me while sparring and leaves me wide open for numerous counters especially to the leg with all the weight I just fed into it. But if you have the element of suprise and the opponent is coming right at you then I would most likely do it the way you mentioned.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1177856]Initial kicks I favour speed over power (not saying I don’t want power). I want stealth. Once the opponent’s momentum is broken we have plenty of time for finishing kicks.[/QUOTE]
I agree speed and suprise are key for kicks, especially surprise IMO.
Kicking Forms
I (apparently!) come from a lineage that has a Kicking Form and I have had the pleasure of seeing this performed by various practitioners. Then they seem surprised when I say that I do not practise this form!
All my initial leg and footwork was done on the wooden man, and so Johns clip is quite a good insight for me. It has a very familiar look but totally different language! This is where I learnt a specific ‘set’ that encompassed all leg and foot variations and combinations, so an empty ‘air form’ was never really something I looked at.
Of course, the combination of hands and legs is what we as practitioners should be striving for and I have to admit, I rarely see excellent examples of this unless the student themselves had learnt kicking from another system. But for me the Wing Chun legwork stands alone and is an awesome addition to anyones repertoire.
[QUOTE=nasmedicine;1177874]I agree speed and suprise are key for kicks, especially surprise IMO.[/QUOTE]
Speed??. Speed is the last thing u should depend on f
or kicking
[QUOTE=Happy Tiger;1177879]Speed??. Speed is the last thing u should depend on f
or kicking[/QUOTE]
I never said I depend on it but speed in a kick is always important especially since kicks on much slower than punches. IMO, A nice speedy and equally sneaky low kick goes a long way.
p.s. I am not referring to physical speed (though that would be great to have)
http://members.tripod.com/~Wing_Chun/hpageie.html “WHAT YIP MAN TAUGHT ME ABOUT SPEED”
In Augusting Fong’s teachings:
Leg Development
Jing Dok Lop ma (front single leg)
Wang Dok Lop ma (side single leg)
Jing/Wang Dang Gurk (slow nailing front and side kick)
Jing/Wang Tai Gurk (slow front and side raising kick)
Gaan Gurk (5 Leg Blocks) Soo, Bong, Gaan, Pak Sut, Wu Sut
Yin/Yang Rotation of Kicking (Front Kick up/ Down, Side Kick up/Down)
Jing Gurk Jut Gurk
Pak Gurk in Air
Wu Gurk in Air
Bong Gurk Chai Gurk
Huen Jing Gurk
Huen Wang Gurk
Tiu Chai Gurk
Tiu Dang Gurk
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1177877]I (apparently!) come from a lineage that has a Kicking Form and I have had the pleasure of seeing this performed by various practitioners. Then they seem surprised when I say that I do not practise this form!
All my initial leg and footwork was done on the wooden man, and so Johns clip is quite a good insight for me. It has a very familiar look but totally different language! This is where I learnt a specific ‘set’ that encompassed all leg and foot variations and combinations, so an empty ‘air form’ was never really something I looked at.
Of course, the combination of hands and legs is what we as practitioners should be striving for and I have to admit, I rarely see excellent examples of this unless the student themselves had learnt kicking from another system. But for me the Wing Chun legwork stands alone and is an awesome addition to anyones repertoire.[/QUOTE]
would you happen to know if there are any links on youtube or anywere else that show some of the applications or the actual kicking form itself. I would love to see them especially because I I don’t know too much in regards to how your lineage feels about handling certain things.