attn jojitsu,
you really don’t like muslims, do you?
There is only one martial art.
Hussein,
Yes, I have done a disarm against a knife successfully. But unless I am much better than the person I am sparring with, the guy with the knife usually wins. Simple reality I am afraid.
Riddle me this
I have a question for everyone since we are on the topic of knife disarms. Let’s say for example I would offer you a technique or training method for empty hand fighting and I told you that this method has about 1.5% chance of working for you in actual encounters but I want you to dedicate 25% of your training time on perfecting it, what would you say? let me guess, “hussein you are truly insane”. Since this would be the answer most people give then why is it that when I say scrap disarms because in actual fighting you have about 1.5% chance of success and 98.5% chance of death, everyone goes nutts on me? I think I know why, fillipino martial arts are in fashion on the fad hungry martial arts scene, just like Ninjitsu was in the 80ties and BJJ in the 90ties so obviously they can do no wrong.
All you progressive jkd,bjj and a little fillipino martial arts guys, If you saw an Aikido player do the same joint lock type knife disarm that Remy Presas does you would laugh and disregard him as foolish and traditional but when master Presas does it it’s ok, that doesn’t make much sense to me.
Im from a traditional family and I guarantee you can not disarm me even when Im blindfolded.
so why all the disarms brothers? why take such a big risk when so many other more efficient options are available with less risk to you and that are faster to execute.
riddle me this riddle me that.
Hussein
La sayf ila zulfaker wa la fata ila Ali.
There is no sword but zulfakar and no hero but Ali
I find several techniques with decent chances to disarm, depending on the attacker. Most of these techniques work even better against empty-hand attacks.
For example, smothering the knife with one hand while tjimande-ing the arm. It’s supposed to break the arm, but from sparring experience I can tell you it often causes the knife to drop.
Smother the knife and the person holding it. Smother him until you get him into a wall or the floor, then start manipulations or stomping as appropriate.
Slap and pass.
Counter cross-cut with your own knife.
Hit the hand with a stick (defang the serpent)
Then of course, there’s all of Seti-Hati. I’ve terrorized a few lower-level sparring partners when they had a knife with that. Decoys and welcoming postures can work well.
And in answer to your question (and you have the percentages wrong) “because it can save your life”
You live in a free country and you have the right to practice your religion and live your life according to your culture.Most people will respect your way of life and leave you in peace as long as you respect our laws and you’re not causing a danger to our society.
Now,imagine the poor soul who would go to live somewhere in the islamic world and open a school with the sign:Christian fencing taugh here,learn the fighting art of the crusaders"…How long do you think he would lives?
I’m sure that you get the idea.
There is something else.When I looked at your site and saw these weapons(guns)and ambush techniques,I could not help but think of a terrorist training school! I’m sorry about that but the image is there and it can be offensive to some.Do you realise this?
C’est la vie!
A FAD?
I dont know what you have agasint JKD or the FMA arts but Grandmaster Remy Presas is not the end all be all of the Filipino knife fighting culture.
There are over 7,000 islands in the Philippines and the mother art of Kali can be dated back to the Malay SriVishaya empire in 8th century A.D. so I don’t understand the fad comment.
Just some of the other FMA systems include the close quarter infighting style of Pekiti-Trisia, the multiple attacking method of Doblete Rapillon, Kali Illistrisimo by the legendary Antonio “Tatang” Illustrismo who had to use his method many times in fights to the death, Panananadata system, Cadena de Mano (chain hands), Balintawak, Doce Pares, Serrada, Visayan, Inayan style, Largo Mano, Toledo-Collado, Babao Arnis, De Cuerdas and KunTao Silat.
Whoever stated that a FMA artist is going to head for a disarm? Its better to check/pass the blade and strike than to get tangled up into a binding situation, IMO at least.
Since the FMA arts are so complete in there approach to weapon work there are of course strips and disarms like Saplit or Hawak-Sunggab but practical footwork and striking with a small core of basic and simple techniques is stressed for survival.
Knife fighting is a rarity in itself as in most occurances you will not have time to deploy your own weapon. The FMA arts cover knife vrs knife and hand vrs knife with the same level of deep combat knowledge.
For weapon work I think that the FMA and IMA systems are the best out there with the FMA methods being better in terms of vocabulary and quick growth for a person with no prior combat skills.
The FMA combatitives though thought more of as a weapon based system have excellent hand to hand training that covers all of the situational ranges of fighting.
Some even focus on a select range like Dumog, Sikaran or Keena Muti.
Regards
Hussein,
I agree with you 100% about not being able to get a disarm against a skilled opponent who is fighting you with a knife. I believe disarms should be your last resort. I don’t think you should scrap them, however, as they could be the difference between “just” getting sliced up vs. getting killed.
That being said, no matter who you are or how skilled you are, if you are empty handed against a skilled opponent with a knife who wants to kill you, you don’t have much of a chance in the first place.
re: my site
Hi old jong,
Firstly we do not endorse any form of violence against any innocent persons, especially on my website I would never allow it.
My family just sees martial arts in a more combat oriented way, ambush techniques and military type training with martial arts is the way it was in olden times and the way we think it should be always. Guns, knives, all this stuff is all part of martial arts as a complete combat training methodology not just self-defense. There is nothing I feel ashamed about more than seeing a martial arts black belt getting beat up by a street thug, but that is what happens if you take away the combat/aggressive mindset that makes martial arts functional.
I care very much about martial arts and everyone that practices it, train hard, be tuff and don’t disgrace yourself by letting your martial art degrade to dancing art.
your brother,
Hussein
La sayf ila zulfaker wa la fata ila Ali.
There is no sword but zulfakar and no hero but Ali
Re: FMA
Hi blackjack,
I never meant to say that filipino martial arts is not good or inneffective. As you said check/pass is a better option always but when it comes to disarms I have spoken to many filipino martial arts masters and read many articles about their styles and for some reason disarming is always one of the first things they start discussing. Just for once I would like to have a straight answer from one of them why they waste so much time teaching something that they even admit is almost impossible to accomplish against an experienced bladesman.
If someone can explain that to me clearly then I promise never to question it again.
riddle me this brothers,
Hussein
La Fata Ila Ali Wa La Sayf Ila Zulfaker
There is no sword but zulfakar and no hero but Ali
Dog brothers
Are any of you guys Dog Brothers?
La Fata Ila Ali Wa La Sayf Ila Zulfaker
There is no sword but zulfakar and no hero but Ali
Wa Salaam Alekum
Peace and Greetings Hussein,
There is a very good reason that we FMArtist practice disarms, if you continue at them they become easier, through the movement teh weapon is disarmed or dropped. My goal in knife is to not get cut, to control the blade and disamr if possible, and it is often possible. (sometimes I disarm your blade into you).
I guarantee you that a Presas could disarm any weapon you are holding, not because of supreior technique, but because they have the skill to do it through years of practice and challenge matches. I caution your calling FMA a fad, there are many sects of Islam that others would call a fad, and not true Islam. Ther reality of combat is often misssed in words on a page, or even in a seminar (I assume that was your exposure to Remey Presas). As MAster PAn would tell you it is through time that understanding is acquired, and my friend time will teach you.
Now to the subject of Islamic Martial Arts, true there are moro arts but teh same arts are practiced by non muslims. But we classify arts by teh culture that spawned them, not their country of origin. So is the use of Islamic Arts wrong, no more that refering to Gung Fu as Chinese. While the arts may have existed for time before Islam, they have incorporated many aspects of the culture into their movement, creating a style. And that’s what we all have, various styles of Martial Arts, bassed on the needs and cultures of the people who passed them on to younger generations.
Peace to us all!
GK
Re: IMA
Salam Taomonkey,
I agree with you we can refer to them as Moro martial arts or Islamic Martial Arts, both are correct.
take care guys,
Hussein
La Fata Ila Ali Wa La Sayf Ila Zulfaker
There is no sword but zulfakar and no hero but Ali
“I agree with you, but now Bangsamoro(Moroland southern phillipines) is Islamic and they don’t care about anything else. They say their kali silat is muslim martial arts, if you don’t believe me ask them.”
That’s how it is in Philippines, people can get away with anything. Look at the Abusayef (sp).
Kyoshu
I hope that you don’t mind my questionning.I don’t want to attack you in any way and your answers make me believe that you’re a good guy after all! (even if you look like a klingon warrior ready to defend his honnor!) 
There is still something bugging me.Are you not worried that one of your students might defend himself with a knife?we never know,when the habits and the techniques are there.The laws are clear about that and it’s a problem when a juge find that there was eccessive force applied in the defense.Do you have young students?(your style may be more practical and tempting to carry in the street than say kendo or wing chun knifes)
My last question:Is your school open to everybody?
Salaam! or in quebecois salut 
C’est la vie!
re: training
Hi old jong,
I am happy you see that I am not a thug, I just want martial arts people to be what they train to be, fighters.
Anyway regarding training, I train with anybody, you do wing chun so I guess we can learn alot from each other.
As for the laws, I always obey the laws of the place I live or visit.
Salut mon ami,
Hussein
La Fata Ila Ali Wa La Sayf Ila Zulfaker
There is no sword but zulfakar and no hero but Ali
Thank you! Au plaisir de se rencontrer! 
C’est la vie!
Dog Bros.
I am. Why do you ask?
Disarms- I would have to say the probability of getting a disarm is inversely proportional to your opponent’s skill with the knife.ˇ
“I guarantee you that a Presas could disarm any weapon you are holding, not because of supreior technique, but because they have the skill to do it through years of practice and challenge matches.”
A rather strong statement, don’t you think? I would pretty much guarantee the opposite if the knife wielder is decent..
[This message was edited by Knifefighter on 01-03-01 at 07:00 PM.]
Hussein I did think your webpage was excellent and it is nice to see a instructor who realy takes the self defense aspect of his art very seriously.
I almost always carry a tactical folder/spyderco civilan on me for self protection and if I ever had to bring it out than I know that I have failed all my other options.
Jo the use of a blade is a last resort and should be saved for those times that you have to apply that kind of damage. Multiple attackers, weapons, muggers, rapists, burglars and other strict situations.
If you have the chance to bring a blade in combat it is also not a fixed win either. A person can receive multiple deep tissue cuts and still continue to attack and they may not even feel the cuts under an extreme AD dump.
Having a serrated edge on your blade or wavy blade pattern will help the attacker feel the steel as I have been told.
As for the knife vrs knife disarm issue I can only voice what I train to do. In this type of training situation I like to keep my distance and slash whatever is foolish enough to get close to my zone…aka defanging the snake…this is a simple tool that requires no complex grappling skills and it allows you to respond with a counter slash or thrust at a fast rate.
Regards
RE: Dog Brothers
Hi knifefighter,
I saw Top Dogs instructionals on power and the snakey stick, You guys are really good. Now for my question, in your experiences have you ever fought knife VS knife and the fight ended up in ground range with one of you coming out of the engagement without wounds that would surely kill you?
Everytime I spar blade VS blade and it ends up on the ground some how, which is a rare occurence anyway, myself and my opponent almost always sustain non survivable wounds.
Do you guys get similar results in ground range?
thanks,
Hussein
La Fata Ila Ali Wa La Sayf Ila Zulfaker
There is no sword but zulfakar and no hero but Ali
re: site
Blackjack,
Thanks alot for the comments, one kind word makes it all worthwhile.
take care brother,
Hussein
La Fata Ila Ali Wa La Sayf Ila Zulfaker
There is no sword but zulfakar and no hero but Ali