Interesting Question ? http://www.wingchunillustrated.com/2013/05/17/danny-xuan-wing-chun-is-not-a-fighting-style/
My answer: Some lineages are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEe7abUn_90
wing chun is a simple and effective gangster kung fu style but wing chun science is a cult
Excellent answer.
German special forces seem to think it is. Basic hand to hand is Krav Maga. KSK and GSG9 do Wing Tsun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY2VBP4miEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUKLC9ZM5zg
Well the vast majority of wing chun clips are either
a) Solo drilling
b) Compliant partner drilling
c) Chis sao slap happy stuff
You rarely see
a) Hard sparring
b) Wing chun fighting other styles
And when you do see the above (actual wing chun fighting and sparring)
a) People claim its not real wing chun and doesn’t look like wing chun should look
Does that sound like a fighting style to you?
[QUOTE=bawang;1291553]wing chun is a simple and effective gangster kung fu style but wing chun science is a cult[/QUOTE]
Bawang has bong sao’d the correct.
Obviously he doesn’t understand Wck to know what is what and how things works instead stuck in his own philosophical speculation
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1291570]Obviously he doesn’t understand Wck to know what is what and how things works instead stuck in his own philosophical speculation
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And then immediately after making this statement included clips of himself proving he falls into the exact same category… oh the irony! lol
Open hand WingChun right off the Red Boats was used by highly respected Imperial Marshalls to apprehend criminals at large. A very good reason such an effective (fast hands) art would be appreciated/embraced by gangster Triads. http://yunhoiwingchun.com.au/articles/general/the-imperial-marshalls
Although Weapons were more abundant in the WingChun Arsenal back in the day (skill in using darts by the Imperial Marshalls ) even in the Master Yik Kam lineage an assortment of weapons were used (not focusing on knives or poles). http://ykwc.blogspot.com/p/the-history-of-yip-kin-wing-chun.html
[QUOTE=Cataphract;1291560]German special forces seem to think it is. Basic hand to hand is Krav Maga. KSK and GSG9 do Wing Tsun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY2VBP4miEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUKLC9ZM5zg[/QUOTE]
Are they still using this ?
[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1291594]Are they still using this ?[/QUOTE]
Yes, afaik. KSK are using WT since 1990.
I suspect they are more concerned with learning to shoot people than learning empty hand stuff, wing chun in Germany is a well organized well run business, but if this is what the German special forces training is like I’m glad they are normally armed and don’t rely on this stuff too much
https://youtu.be/wgyn7CNhR40
And much like the seals trained in jkd, what they are forced to train by their superiors doesn’t really make the system effective or efficient. Just that it’s marketed well
Why does he need to throw that many punches to knock his opponent down?
Should
- 1 good punch, or
- 1 good take down
be enough?
IMO there are different power generation and mind set between
- 1 knock out punch, and
- many fast continuous punches.
The power generation and mind set for
- 1 knock out punch is like to throw out a hand grade.
- many continuous punches is like to shot a lot of bullets from your machine gun.
In battle field, you will need both.
[QUOTE=Frost;1291602]I suspect they are more concerned with learning to shoot people than learning empty hand stuff, wing chun in Germany is a well organized well run business, but if this is what the German special forces training is like I’m glad they are normally armed and don’t rely on this stuff too much
https://youtu.be/wgyn7CNhR40
And much like the seals trained in jkd, what they are forced to train by their superiors doesn’t really make the system effective or efficient. Just that it’s marketed well[/QUOTE]
Frost, I believe only Team 6 contracted Vunak. I may be wrong but Vunak may have been the longest contracted civilian instructor team 6 ever hired. But I do agree, H2H is pretty low on Special Forces needs. Im not sure it is even a official course or ever was. If you asked most of them they would tell you if you need H2H you did something wrong.
Thank you Cataphract .
I know nothing about German Special Forces or their training and function. I believe the other group is sort of like SWAT ? For the jobs they face they may rely more on it for arrest ? That’s just a guess.
Oh, I mixed that up. GSG9 uses WT since '90.
GSG9 are police like SWAT, hostage rescue and such. KSK are military. I have a statement from one of the instructors somewhere. He says that they use hand to hand combat in situations where lethal force would be excessive and potentially in close quarters, e.g. boarding missions.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1291603]Why does he need to throw that many punches to knock his opponent down?
Should
- 1 good punch, or
- 1 good take down
be enough?
IMO there are different power generation and mind set between
- 1 knock out punch, and
- many fast continuous punches.
The power generation and mind set for
- 1 knock out punch is like to throw out a hand grade.
- many continuous punches is like to shot a lot of bullets from your machine gun.
In battle field, you will need both.
//youtu.be/wgyn7CNhR40
[/QUOTE]
Hi John. Always a privilege when you post. I hope all has been well with you sir.
Thanks again, Cataphract .
John,
in your opinion sir, based on your experience and training. Which 1- punch and 1- throw would you focus on ? Assuming training time was limited.
John, for your heavy punch, what would be your preferred target?