Is there any sort of screening process to be a MMA troll?

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I feel for genuine MMA practitioners. I’ve noticed a glut of MMA Trolls out there lately, most of them dumb as bricks, all of them acting as the cheerleading squad for the MMA community. I mean, what’s that about? We’ve got the ladies of KFO, they’ve got: a gaggle of oily skinned 16 year olds with shaven heads and self control issues. It’s a wonder anyone does MMA at all, those few who actually practice MMA as opposed to posting about MMAists have my kudos, but their pep squad is really sad.

Then you get Phrost, basically trolling for traditional support for his forum, yet only hosting a MMA forum, everything else is dedicated to bad schools, yet the MMA trolls can’t even do that right, they all just compare who is the best troll. Seriously, that’s all they do. It’s like watching a car wreck, I’m just visiting to wait and see the law suits start.

What is it about MMA that breeds such repulsive trolls? Does it block certain meridians necessary for normal human growth? Is it the lack of a quality supplier like www.martialartsmart.com?

What’s the deal?

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There are good Martial Artists & Bad in MMA. BUT…
MMA attracts alot of people who just want to fight.

All Martial…No ART.

So we have our thugs & internet thug wannabes.

If it keeps up I’m just gonna tell people I do Tae-Bo.
:stuck_out_tongue:

Badger

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Well, there’s guys that seem to know their stuff, and they’re OK. There’s just an awful lot of guys who don’t seem to know a thing, and will constantly refer you to so and so fighting so and so, as opposed to this technique countering that technique.

It’s like the opposite of kung fu trolls. Kung Fu trolls are all principle and no fight. MMA trolls are all fight and no principles. Neither group can fight with their art.

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If it keeps up I’m just gonna tell people I do Tae-Bo.

:smiley: we should all have troll alter egos, mine would go like this:

16th Degree Shaolin black belt in Judo
My lineage would be from Fred Flintstone
School name is Bedrock Shaolin Judo Son
And I beat a Tai Chi who fought Marvin Perry
Bedrock Judo is superior.

Skard1

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I am the Grand Master of Caveasaurus Combat

It is the oldest and most original martial art.

It contains only the four original techniques.

1 Wild Man Puch
2 Cave Man Kick
3 Prehistoric pounce (Sort’a like a shoot in Bjj combined with jumping on the opponent like an ape)

4 Caveman club (The weapon set, consisting of a single over hand strike with a club)

I have already trained one student to the Master level, his name: Yamato Daimashii. He can sometimes be found on E-Budo, or cyber kwoon giving weight lifting advice.

For more info on the system, contact me at royaldragon@netzero.net, or contact Master Yamato at <shaolinninjamarine@yahoo.com>

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FOCK MMA AND FOCK ANY DIPSH*T THAT TRAINS IT :slight_smile:

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4 Caveman club (The weapon set, consisting of a single over hand strike with a club)

I especially like the move entitled “Hit cave-woman over head, drag to cave”.

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LOL @ Royal Dragon

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From his picture, phrost looks a little “special”. For the most part those guys sound like a bunch of circle jerk retards. They really NEED for people to know they are the ultimate. Dregs and rejects. :rolleyes:

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Aww Sheeat…

If by “special” you mean “one hunk of man meat” then thanks for the compliment SeafoodAbel, but I’m straight.

As far as anyone needing to boost their egos, don’t look at me. I think we’ve been down that road before. I’ve got a hell of an ego, and it’s got nothing to do with the time I waste on an internet forum.

The only reason we added a MMA forum was because we share a lot of our users with Adcombat.com, and many of them were disgusted by the trolls over THERE, not to mention 90% of the topics on that board at the time were about one member who “accidentally” spammed the forum’s yahoo pics group with picks of him performing the deadly Blo Wang technique on himself.

Anyway, I never intended for there to be MMA/TMA forums over there at all. The site’s not really about any of that. And while we have discussions that wander into each respective area, our intent has always been to focus on fraud in all areas of Martial Arts.

It’s still the same catch-22 that we’ve been dealing with for a while now. Traditional Martial Artists complain that their views are not being represented on the McDojo subject, yet they refuse to represent their views themselves. It almost seems like some people are more content to complain about things than to do anything about it.

We put up a TMA forum in a gesture of good faith towards the TMA community, and I set up KC Elbows as the moderator. There was never an attempt to ignore our (thankfully growing) TMA user base by not including the forum originally.

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The Ultimate of Ultimates…

I am the self appointed SiJo of Spider Monkey Kung Fu

The Uniform is a diaper and the main technique when attacked is to scream like a madman and fling feces at the attacker. Then you are supposed to climb a tree and masturbate.
Masters of this style are characterized by their amazing vibrating palm chi.

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THIS SPACE FOR RENT, CHEAP

I’ve got a black belt in WWFu.

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Right on cue.

No, I mean you look like your mother spent too much time next to the microwave. LOL!

“I’ve got a hell of an ego…”

You got that right .

MKcdojo is full of wannabe 16 year old prepube mustash chuckle heads that resemble a beavis and ******** impersonator contest. There are a few names that I recognize as TMA. But, they are always there to defend against the same “superfighters” that don’t know squat. I’m surprised more of them don’t break their hands patting themselves on the back. And for what after all. What have they actually done. Which one of them IS vitor. None.

Its the same old sheepish parrot blah blah blah regergitation.

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Frosty

The reason TMA’s are under epresented can be seen in the debate I had with Sheol.

He had a premis based on what he admitted through discription as being extremely sub standard experiance, and when I tried to explain to him what the real deal was about, he STILL would not let go of his bashing of traditional Kung Fu and it’s methods when it is VERY clear, he has no practical experiance with them, or thier uses and results of useing them in training. He is SOO convinced of the superiority of his methods it’s disgusting. Even though he is CLERLY not qualified to have an opinion

Why should we bother trying to defend the Traditional arts, when the mission of your users is clear: Bash TMA’s as much as possible, no matter what it is and what evidence is presented, no matter what, and hold MMA up as the all illuminating star of ultimate combat.

Your site is NOT about finding frauds, it’s about lableing EVRERYTHING except MMA’s (UFC, Pride etc )as fraudulant, sub standard, out dated , foolish, stupid and worthless.

Anything will be conjured up as evedance, reguardles of truth or reality. If there is no substance for the MMA is superior and all else is worthless, proof and fallacies are fabricated.

You site is nothing more than a delusional fantasy land for your cronies to play in.

MMA’s have been comming off like this for a long time. And they wonder why Traditionalists don’t want to play with them or compete in thier tournaments. Why go fight in an MMA tournament, only to be the picture child for how bad Kung Fu is if you loose, when about 2/3s of ALL those that enter loose.

The sad part is all those 2/3’s are MMA’s. No one says anything about how bad the MMAs are though, because the guys at the top are MMA’s (Go figure:rolleyes: ).

For me, there is NO way I would ever compete in those circiuts, just due to the fact that NOONE can walk in and win all the way to the top on the first fight. It takes time to figue the game out and rise to the top. The entire time you make that journy you will be the picture child of how bad Kung Fu is, and if you DO make it to the top, now everyone will consider you an MMA that left the traditional arts because they “Suck”. What you do in real life is irrelevant. You could be a PURE traditional fighter, and noone would bewilling to admit that because they can’t have a traditionalist winning an MMA tournament. It would mean the MMA’s aren’t superior, now wouldn’t it.

Your site will never be anyhting but a Bash Kung Fu and promote MMA. It’s a joke, and a sad one at that.

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Have you read my profile?

I’ve got YEARS of CMA under my belt. I absolutely love Kung Fu. The only issues I have with it are exaggerated claims of the impossible (killing people with “chi”) and the art being cheapened IMO by the Wushu movement.

But I’m just as entitled to these opinions as anyone else here is, and probably more than some. I’ve wasted time doing Wushu disguised as Kung Fu. The fact that we did semi-practical pad-striking drills and sparring went a long way toward the deception. I’ve spent time studying under one of the most respected Choy Lay Fut and Wing Chun Grandmasters in the world.

I know my Kung Fu.

The problem BOTH the “MMA” and “TMA” crowds have is that they see a distinction between the two, and have all jumped across an imaginary line in the sand to one side or the other.

MMA is a sport competition, designed to prove an individual fighter’s skills. There is no “MMA Style” regardless of how people want to portray it.

Traditional Martial Arts are something completely different. They blend history, culture, spirituality, ethics, morals, and tradition, in with the various fighting systems. Some are better than others. Some are completely impractical, whereas some are absolutely deadly.

These are my views. So if you chose to attack some of the members of the website I helped found, that’s fine. But don’t attack me individually, especially for bashing all Traditional Martial Arts. It’s not my intent, nor will I tolerate it.

McDojo.com is there to serve a simple purpose, regardless of how you feel about the current userbase: for the Martial Arts community to police itself of fraud. The entire site is designed so that the community itself decides what the standards are, and who meets or fails to live up to them.

A simple analogy will hopefully communicate the point I’m trying to get across here:

If you have 100 idiots shouting obscenities, the handful of people trying to sing beautifully will not be heard over the din.

Find more people that sing your song, and the shouting will fade away.

We are 100% supportive of Traditional Martial Arts. We are 0% supportive of people using them to make claims of the outrageous to further their own pocketbooks, people teaching impractical techniques that could give a deadly false sense of confidence, and people that want to portray Martial Artists as mindless, violent thugs.

But ultimately, it’s up to the members of McDojo.com to decide what issues need to be brought up for discussion and review by the community. We have not to this date refused an article or other submission, and unless we find one that’s simply offensive, do not plan on ever doing so.

McDojo.com does not have any intentions of misrepresenting or disparaging Traditional Martial arts. It is inaccurate to target the administrative team running the site, as a result of the actions of the members.

If you have a specific complaint about a Moderator or Admin doing so, bring it to my attention immediately.

Until then, it simply seems that you need more voices in the choir.

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Choir?

Oooooo! Ooooooo! waving his hands in thee air can I be the Fat Viking lady with the Goldilocks braids and the helmet ??

Thanks

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McDojo.com is there to serve a simple purpose, regardless of how you feel about the current userbase: for the Martial Arts community to police itself of fraud. The entire site is designed so that the community itself decides what the standards are, and who meets or fails to live up to them.

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The problem is you have a rather poor communty, and they are creating standards based on thier own fantasy relms.

Also, who apointed you spokesman for martial arts?

>>We are 100% supportive of Traditional Martial Arts. We are 0% supportive of people using them to make claims of the outrageous to further their own pocketbooks, people teaching impractical techniques that could give a deadly false sense of confidence, and people that want to portray Martial Artists as mindless, violent thugs.

Reply] Impractial techniques you say?? Who are you or your members to judge?? Many, Many techniques requirer special skill to be effective. They also require special training. Training that is often kept secret from those at the lower ranks. (Iron hand comes to mind, the techniques are often taught the first day, but the hardeneing method needed to make them functional to the fullest comes later). Just because YOU donot have that skill, and may not even be capable of getting it, does NOT mean the technique is impractical.

Just look at Sheol, he is completely clueless about traditional martial arts, and he cannot be taught because his mind is made up based on facts he created himself in his head out of pure fantasy. Arguing with knuckle heads like that is down right tireing.

The way I see it, your site is not at all about finding “Mc DoJo’s”, and all about bashing everyone but your own.

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You are incorrect

Originally posted by Royal Dragon
The problem is you have a rather poor communty, and they are creating standards based on thier own fantasy relms.

If the fact that we’ve been trying to improve upon this community has escaped you in the past several discussions I’ve participated in on these forums, then there’s not much more I can say to you.

Originally posted by Royal Dragon

Also, who apointed you spokesman for martial arts?

Now where did I ever say, imply, or suggest such a thing? Please let me know because again, your assumptions are way off-base.

To repeat myself (ad nauseum): McDojo.com is a FORUM designed so that the Martial Arts Community can discuss the topics of fraud and the shady side of martial arts. The administrators and moderators do their ****dest to stay impartial and open to all points of view, and refuse to censor ANYTHING that is not blatantly libelous or submitted in bad faith.

This INCLUDES TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTISTS’ POINTS OF VIEW.

Originally posted by Royal Dragon

Impractial techniques you say?? Who are you or your members to judge?? Many, Many techniques requirer special skill to be effective. They also require special training. Training that is often kept secret from those at the lower ranks. (Iron hand comes to mind, the techniques are often taught the first day, but the hardeneing method needed to make them functional to the fullest comes later). Just because YOU donot have that skill, and may not even be capable of getting it, does NOT mean the technique is impractical.

Do you know what my skills are? I didn’t think so. You sure seem quick to make assumptions about them.

Who is anyone to judge anything? Opinions are like a$$holes, and the internet is chock full of them. Again, all the staff at McDojo.com does is provide a medium by which members of the Martial Arts Community can discuss such issues, and judge things for themselves.

Originally posted by Royal Dragon

Just look at Sheol, he is completely clueless about traditional martial arts, and he cannot be taught because his mind is made up based on facts he created himself in his head out of pure fantasy. Arguing with knuckle heads like that is down right tireing.

And how is one USER’S attitude a reflection of the views of the people that run McDojo.com?

Why do you continue to insist that we are responsible for any of the idiots that wandered into the forums there?

Why do you continue to insist that we have some sort of Anti-TMA agenda, simply because we’ve created a forum for the discussion of the darker side of ALL martial arts, to include MMA? Why is it so easy for you to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

You act like the Administrators over at my site sit around all day, thinking up new ways to denigrate Traditional Martial Arts. The way you’d paint a picture of us, we remove any posts made by TMA’s, and only allow access to MMA stylists.

Find me one specific incident where either I Choke You, or I have done such a thing and I will personally and publically apologize for it. But you won’t be able to, because that’s not how we do busniess.

Originally posted by Royal Dragon

The way I see it, your site is not at all about finding “Mc DoJo’s”, and all about bashing everyone but your own. [/B]

Then you obviously chose not to “see” very well.

RD, you are more than welcome at our site, and I personally value your participation. I honestly do not know why there is such a spirit of adversary here. You cannot lump everyone that’s shown any interest in MMA into one group, all of which being Anti-TMA. It’s not productive, and it’s not reasonable.

I consider myself a Martial Artist.

Period.

And so should you.

I’m just asking your help in raising the standards by which our community judges itself, and hopefully, consequently, the standards by which the rest of the world judges us.

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"Who is anyone to judge anything? "

:smiley:
That’s a bit unproductive…

Ryu

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Frosty

You act like the Administrators over at my site sit around all day, thinking up new ways to denigrate Traditional Martial Arts. The way you’d paint a picture of us, we remove any posts made by TMA’s, and only allow access to MMA stylists.

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Admins, useres whatever, the main theme remains there, Bash all traditional martial arts, and promote MMA’s as the sun, stars and moon of fighting.

Ryu,
So tell me, who is qualified to judge arts they know nothing about?? Can you tell me truely whether or not the techniques from Tai tzu’s first Southern form are useles or legit?? No you can’t. Why? becue you donot know that style, and are not privy to the appliction and multitude of strategies for getting it in and working it.

Just the same, you may have a number of techniques that on the surface “I” may thing are useless, but in YOUR hands are devisating.

I think if you look closely, you will see that "Who is anyone to judge anything? " is not only productive, but rather profound.