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Modern schools including MMA and Kung Fu teach basic techniques such as Jab / Cross / Hook / Round Kick / Front Kick etc etc. But we fail to realize is these are just foundational techniques. MMA schools focus on these basic tactics and don’t really move on to more complex or sophisticated techniques. However, most of the older traditional Kung Fu schools move on to the more complex techniques.
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Traditional Kung Fu schools start with the basics but, move to more complex techniques. This is not to say that complex is better or worse than basic techniques.
Lam Choi is a whipping technique… sorry you don’t understand it.
u r confusing complex with convoluted. kung fu teachers like u make a tiny difference sound huge, so u can be speshul. so the student is always wrong, they can never get it right.
[QUOTE=bawang;1099770]chinese boxing is inferior to western boxing.[/QUOTE]
You must be joking. I disagree with you 100% on this. I have a student who has 15 years western wrestling experience. If TCMA has nothing to offer, why did he want to come to me for? My student’s comercial school also has a lot of BJJ guys who want to add some new stand up skills into their toolbox. There is nothing wrong there. Since there is no single style that contains everything, we all neeed to “cross train”.
The moment that we look down upon ourselves, the moment that others will look down upon us.
Personally I think it is quite different. The trajectory is different and striking surface is differnet.
But wearing boxing gloves it’s ****ing stupid to use a sao chui like that. You can’t hurt someone as hard as if you just drive it like an overhand right.
I don’t think there is a problem at all of if a technique “is” or “isn’t.”
I know my daisihing calls his “overhand” a sao chui.
You can categorize and overhand right as a “sau choi” but a classic sau choi is pretty different. The sau choi shown above has not real drive off the rear leg like an overhand right. It’s a “sweeping” (hence the name) long arm strike powered by a stance shift from horse to bow and driven much more by the waist than legs.
Of course, since that’s not a choi li fut fighter in the video, it’s not a sau choi…that would be a “heng lei” lol. (not sure of the characters) Same **** thing when you get right down to it. Main point is, it sure as hell ain’t an overhand right.
The topic is a general question. Before we have got passed beyond the language barrier, and have consensus on the meaning of these techniques, we should always know what we are doing. In other words, we should know when we have deviated enough to the point that a technique or even we are not training the style of art we have been trained so far. At some points in time, we need to ask ourself is that what we want to do - to develop a new style. And we better give the question an honest answer.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1099753]I think we need to look at it a bit differently. Today’s Martial Arts practitioner is not the same as it was 20 or 30 years ago. People tend to think of MA as a hobby or past time. They go to Kung Fu class or MMA gym a couple of times a week and when they go home they already forgotten anything that they have learned in class.
Modern schools including MMA and Kung Fu teach basic techniques such as Jab / Cross / Hook / Round Kick / Front Kick etc etc. But we fail to realize is these are just foundational techniques. MMA schools focus on these basic tactics and don’t really move on to more complex or sophisticated techniques. ginosifu[/QUOTE]
Sorry but this is simply not true and since when does getting more complex and sophisticated mean simply adding in more technique?
what MMA does is focus on sound principles that work over and over, and rather than add more and more technique (at least in stand up) it uses timing, better mechanics and better structure to make those techniques more sophisticated and more complex…my coach can destroy good fighters just using the jab because his timing and mechanics are so much better than mine, hardly just a basic shot
Watch Anderson Silva use the same basic techniques I know, jab hook cross low round house and knee, to destroy rich Franklin twice his skills are so good it’s hard to say his timing and motion doesn’t make what he does complex or sophisticated
If you add in the clinch and the ground MMA can get complex and sophisticated very quickly, but it is still based on sound fundamentals and building on them, not adding in supplicated stuff that will never work in the majority of cases
[QUOTE=Frost;1101643]Sorry but this is simply not true and since when does getting more complex and sophisticated mean simply adding in more technique?
what MMA does is focus on sound principles that work over and over, and rather than add more and more technique (at least in stand up) it uses timing, better mechanics and better structure to make those techniques more sophisticated and more complex…my coach can destroy good fighters just using the jab because his timing and mechanics are so much better than mine, hardly just a basic shot
Watch Anderson Silva use the same basic techniques I know, jab hook cross low round house and knee, to destroy rich Franklin twice his skills are so good it’s hard to say his timing and motion doesn’t make what he does complex or sophisticated
If you add in the clinch and the ground MMA can get complex and sophisticated very quickly, but it is still based on sound fundamentals and building on them, not adding in supplicated stuff that will never work in the majority of cases[/QUOTE]
“I do not fear the man who knows 10,000 techniques, I fear the man who knows one technique and thrown it 10,000 times.”
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1099771]You must be joking. I disagree with you 100% on this. I have a student who has 15 years western wrestling experience. If TCMA has nothing to offer, why did he want to come to me for? My student’s comercial school also has a lot of BJJ guys who want to add some new stand up skills into their toolbox. There is nothing wrong there. Since there is no single style that contains everything, we all neeed to “cross train”.
The moment that we look down upon ourselves, the moment that others will look down upon us.[/QUOTE]
This is not what he is saying….how many boxers do you know or thai guys that go to a TCMA school to learn more about striking….you don’t hear it a lot do you….but you hear of plenty of TCMA guys that go to boxing or thai classes….. i wonder why this is
BJJ guys learning stand up wrestling is not the same thing, it’s a hole in their game they don’t usually learn that they need to work on, you don’t see them going to you to learn china na for ground work (their world) because they have it covered
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1101644]“I do not fear the man who knows 10,000 techniques, I fear the man who knows one technique and thrown it 10,000 times.” ;)[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
MA are a study in simplicity.
Look over the centuries of fighting and you will see this: Basics rule.
Look over the video evidence of boxing, the various Asian MA, you name it and what do you see?
Basic rule.
Even at the highest level of elite competition, basics rule.
Number one choke - RNC
Number one hand strike - the Cross ( the hook being VERY close)
Number one leg strike - round kick
Number one throw - sweep
Number one take down - single leg
All things you learn in the first month of training in any good and complete school/gym
[QUOTE=Frost;1101646]This is not what he is saying….how many boxers do you know or thai guys that go to a TCMA school to learn more about striking….you don’t hear it a lot do you….but you hear of plenty of TCMA guys that go to boxing or thai classes….. i wonder why this is
BJJ guys learning stand up wrestling is not the same thing, it’s a hole in their game they don’t usually learn that they need to work on, you don’t see them going to you to learn china na for ground work (their world) because they have it covered[/QUOTE]
I was a boxer with a fight record BEFORE I went to study Kung Fu.
What plenty of tcmas go to boxing clubs? Or thai clubs?
That’s crap and you’re throwing out ideas cheaply and you have NO backup for that.
MMA vs TMA is a tired old song sung mostly by people running mma schools who want the students to come to them instead of going to tehir qigong class.lol
