well, if you do qigong and dont believe in the mystical force called qi, you would just be drawing circles in the air with your hands. theres really no point paying money for that.
[QUOTE=bawang;1101654]well, if you do qigong and dont believe in the mystical force called qi, you would just be drawing circles in the air with your hands. theres really no point paying money for that.[/QUOTE]
lol. qi doesn’t care if you believe in it or not. You suck it in, you blow it out all the same whether you wave your arms around or not.
so you pay hundreds of dollars for breathing really deep and making circles in the air with your hands.
[QUOTE=bawang;1101656]so you pay hundreds of dollars for breathing really deep and making circles in the air with your hands.[/QUOTE]
nope.
But if you would like to pay hundreds of dollars for that, you go right ahead! lol
I think the major problem is the fact that saying TCMA is such a general statement it is hard to pinpoint. There are so many styles of Kung Fu that are so vastly different it is hard to make comparisons. The same can not be said for Muay Thai and boxing. Although each do have their own “flavor” and depending on who the trainer/coach is some differing training methods, most competitive gyms will have the same basics, the same training methods, the same sparring, ect, ect.
In Kung Fu you may have forms oriented un pressure tested type of training or you may have hard core, full contact Sanda type training. The problem in my opinion is that the second type is much harder to find than the first as it pertains to TCMA. Not so much in Muay Thai and boxing, go to about any gym and you find the hard style training described.
I’ll say the same thing I have said many times before, until the day comes when Kung Fu is more about fighting and less about performance, this reputation will continue.
qi gong has 2 parts
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moving one or dong gong, generally stretching all tendons, circling hands would be “stretching” joints–
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standing or sitting one or jin gong. stand in postures without movement.
there are also soft and hard qi gong on and on.
self strike/massage meridian points or pai da gong on and on.
for me
1 hiking 10,000 steps (5 miles) to elevation 1000 feet daily, without weights and then with weights around wrist, ankle, chest etc.
oops pimping my favorite trail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_3UDXrE3ho
2 lift weight (resistence, strength training)
3 swim
are part of my qi gong.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1101661]I think the major problem is the fact that saying TCMA is such a general statement it is hard to pinpoint. There are so many styles of Kung Fu that are so vastly different it is hard to make comparisons. The same can not be said for Muay Thai and boxing. Although each do have their own “flavor” and depending on who the trainer/coach is some differing training methods, most competitive gyms will have the same basics, the same training methods, the same sparring, ect, ect.
In Kung Fu you may have forms oriented un pressure tested type of training or you may have hard core, full contact Sanda type training. The problem in my opinion is that the second type is much harder to find than the first as it pertains to TCMA. Not so much in Muay Thai and boxing, go to about any gym and you find the hard style training described.
I’ll say the same thing I have said many times before, until the day comes when Kung Fu is more about fighting and less about performance, this reputation will continue.[/QUOTE]
too much choice confuses the consumer.
TCMA has huge selection of things to do. MMA is much easier to fathom and simpler to get relatively good at in the grand scheme of things.
wu shu is much more difficult for the body to do than mere fighting. In fact, it is more towards the athleticism of gymnastics whereas core fighting is pretty simple and demands simplicity for effectiveness.
Kung Fu training is a little of column a and a little of column b in that respect. If you have a good teacher, you will learn to fight and you will learn about how that training cycle is a lot different from learning forms.
Will you want to compete? Up to you really. The great majority of people who study and practice martial arts don’t get involved in fight competitions though.
Ultimately the choice is the up to the individual. I really think it’s time to recognize that apples aren’t oranges and put this horse to bed.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1101664]too much choice confuses the consumer.
TCMA has huge selection of things to do. MMA is much easier to fathom and simpler to get relatively good at in the grand scheme of things.
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real kung fu is simple.
no "if"s
[QUOTE=bawang;1101751]real kung fu is simple.
no "if"s[/QUOTE]
yes directness or straightforwardness.
and yet there is profoundness or deepening depth in simplicity.
and the grace or beauty of simpleness.
and yet there is profoundness or deepening depth in simplicity.
many do not realize this until later on down the road of their journey though.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1099773]If you beat me with
- open hand, I’ll come back with knife.
- knife, I’ll come back with gun.
- gun, I’ll sue you.
I’ll never accept “defeat”.[/QUOTE]
Just because you don’t accept defeat, doesn’t mean you aren’t defeated. Its like an alcoholic who switches from Scotch to Brandy.
[QUOTE=bawang;1101751]real kung fu is simple.
no "if"s[/QUOTE]
All great fighting arts have simple basics that one can master and continue to get better at delivering with hard work and years of practice. Unfortunately the chinese martial arts got hijacked by too many scam artists and scum bags who jumped on the gravy train of taking advantage of ignorant people.
It’s the same scam that has been going on since the dawn of time and will continue as long as mankind exists.
[QUOTE=bawang;1101751]real kung fu is simple.
no "if"s[/QUOTE]
now when did you become a deluded larper? 
in physical combat, there are ALWAYS “ifs”.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1101896]now when did you become a deluded larper?
in physical combat, there are ALWAYS “ifs”.[/QUOTE]
In all fairness, he was talking about kung fu, not physical combat.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1101897]In all fairness, he was talking about kung fu, not physical combat.
:D[/QUOTE]
ouch …
yes any combat or melee
are random events
window of opportunity in timing and space comes and goes.
but
with practice, tactics and strategy
we may increase our winning odds
but still, one may still be beaten by a weaker opponent with a “lucky” shot.
winning and losing are common affairs of a war/fight.
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