Thanks for your replies (Yes even you my little Bawang … there is always one clown in every group and you do it so well :D)
So do you think that in the future that the “real” Gongfu will be found in the West?
[QUOTE=Pete;1256561]being a traditionalist is different from learning traditional kung fu right 
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Yes…
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That being said, does that make the kung fu or practitioners less because they don’t want to be exploited?[/QUOTE]
When’s the last time Kung Fu wasn’t being exploited?
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So do you think that in the future that the “real” Gongfu will be found in the West?[/QUOTE]
only black people.
Only black people speak real Chinese. http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/246889/black-people-s-chinese-food
Only black people what? 
[QUOTE=PalmStriker;1256620]Only black people what? [/QUOTE]
White people can’t have da realz Kung Fu…except David Ross…
Maybe this will help: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopic-discussion-314159273/did-black-people-save-the-kungfu-genre-29347623/
maybe this will help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ0s6LMapnY
It didn’t help. Neither of you are helping.
This could be helpful, perhaps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3IzMvBeOLk
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1256587]Yes…[/QUOTE]
sorry if i sounded stupid i don’t think i’ve been unfortunate enough to meet a traditionalist so far
[QUOTE=Minghequan;1256586]So do you think that in the future that the “real” Gongfu will be found in the West?[/QUOTE]
hope so, but it doesn’t look good at the moment
maybe in about 10 years i can have my own school some place… but perhaps not as i’m white 
guess i’d have to yellow up first!
One of my guys went to a MMA gym. After he had shown his MMA friends the “cracking” technique, His MMA friends were all convinced that “stand up joint locking” work (they didn’t believe that before). They all wanted to learn that move from him.
There are a lot of treasure in TCMA, the day that MMA guys have found it, the day that TCMA and MMA will be further integrated together. MMA guys are very realistic. You have to use your TCMA techniques to work on them before they can show any respect on you. IMO, the best way to save TCMA is to send students to the MMA gyms.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1256644]MMA guys are very realistic. You have to use your TCMA techniques to work on them before they can show any respect on you.[/QUOTE]
This is a very true statement. A few years back I was asked to train a platoon of combat vets as part of a program that helped them to deal with PTSD and focus their “energy” into extreme sports to help re-intergrate with society. Many of these individuals had MMA backgrounds, as modern Army Combatives is based on MMA/BJJ. From the start many “Tested the Waters” and I had to run a gauntlet and prove myself before they would give me any respect. Once I proved myself they were all ears. Proof is always in the pudding, and if you’re going the talk the talk sooner or later you’re going to have to walk the walk, and when that time comes you had better be prepared. Train with the correct attitude and intent from the beginning. Irregardless of the outcome on the proving ground, if you put forth a courageous effort you will gain respect.
Kung fu died a long time ago. It was killed by the invention of forms.
If kung fu was dead, we wouldn’t have a new thread with this title every few months for the last five years.
Think kung fu is dead? Check out Hollywood.
Hmmm…Actually this discussion’s been going on a lot longer than that. Since MMA…since Bruce Lee’s death…since cultural revolution…since boxer rebellion…since… what can you infer from this? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Pete;1256641] sorry if i sounded stupid i don’t think i’ve been unfortunate enough to meet a traditionalist so far
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Actually, I quoted it because I thought it was a good post…
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1256644]IMO, the best way to save TCMA is to send students to the MMA gyms.[/QUOTE]
I agree and I would take it one step further. I would suggest the best way to teach a new student TCMA is to teach them with MMA or Sanda style training for the first year…so they are strong and capable of fighting. Then start introducing the esoteric exercises…they will understand better and be better able to apply.
I think the reason there is so much resistance to this is only partly tradition. It’s partly the sifu’s fear of being incompetent in such an environment and partly the fear of losing students who don’t have the desire or heart for hard training.
[QUOTE=LaRoux;1256656]Kung fu died a long time ago. It was killed by the invention of forms.[/QUOTE]
I refer you to my current signature…
Originally Posted by SoCo KungFu
MMA didn’t kill kung fu, just stole its girlfriend. Kung fu committed suicide in a Denny’s parking lot