[QUOTE=Baqualin;734717]I’ve been doing Iron Bone/Iron Shirt/Iron Palm training for a few years and we do these kinds of Demos at our tourneys…mostly for show…MKusa I agree with your view…Lung your right about the (simple) physics…and yes Sifu Patterson is the real deal…Iron Shirt is also for real and will protect you much better from hard blows than someone who doesn’t practice it…but it will not make you super human…like MKusa…have him lay down on the ground and try the same demo.
Once again this is not a cut to Sifu Patterson…he has much respect from me and you would have to train very long and hard to do that demo.:)[/QUOTE]
Thanks – I just don’t want people to get the wrong idea and go running off and hurting themselves. Like thinking because their sifu does this horizontally that they could do it vertically or something. There were a lot of people during the Boxer Rebellion who thought they were tough and could stop bullets and stuff, and found out the hard way they couldn’t.
Like I said, the person who first showed me incredible abdominal strength was a contractor friend of my grandfather’s, who always used to say, “Here, punch me in the stomach.” LOL He had abs of steel.
…just thought I’d cross-post a comment made by Patterson himself on the subject in question, particularly in context to lunghushan’s dismissals. For context, “Vince” is the guy swinging the hammer in the clip.
[I]Vince had to control the hammer to land it accurately. The rest is physics. Given that Vince weighed approximately 240 lbs. at the time of the video and we can estimate the distance the hammer travels at about eight feet give or take. The hammer is a known quantity at 8 lbs. and we know that the shaft of the hammer is four feet long. Physics majors anyone? [/I](Patterson is, so am I…)[B][I]
Even if we assume that Vince’s given momentum and acceleration imparted to the hammer is a constant, (which clearly it is not as you can see him snap his waist into the blow) and the fact that the full brunt of both the momentum and the kinetic potential are transferred into and through my body since my body’s mass is much higher than that of the hammer (allowing for of course my body’s ability to somewhat diminish said potential, leaf), it still results in an impact that is more than substantial any way you care to slice it. Even with conservative estimates a “conditioned abdomen” cannot endure it. And remember, you can see him shank the third into my solar plexus. Try that with a “conditioned abdomen”.[/I][/B]
Guys do anyone happen to posses a book in “China Mordern Chi Kung” printed isbn 7-5009-0994-2/G.951, the book was written in Simplify Chinese Character. If any of you posses of this book and understand Chinese… all your argument will be settle. Inside this great book.. there are more than a few hundred kind of Chinese Chi Kung practise from ancient time to present time.. some from health, Spiritua to Martial Art Chi Kung. Inside this book, there are 3 types of Hard Qi Kong, 1) Golden Bell 2)Iron Shirt 3)Golden Bell & Iron Shirt. The 3rd class are rarely hear off.. but it was a myth that this stlye was created by Wudang Zhan San Feng. This stlye does not require bashing or medication to support the training. It is purely done on breathing style. It is said with every breathing excercise you make, it will help you develope your skin and bones. And it is the fastest way to achieve “Hard Chi Kung” and helps to improve health and avoid sickness. According to the book Shaolin Chi Kung Golden Bell is the safest way to practise.. but you master a few basic, intermediate and advance chi Kung. Advance chi kung such as Micro Cosmic, once master you could proceed to Macro Cosmic and train the Golden Bell. Some of you have it right.. you need to apply bashing your body plus chi exercise and medication.. to attaint the hardness state.. this are done part by body part. Well currently I am on my way for the Macro Cosmic training, and now I am deciding which Hard Chi Kung training I will take, most probably the Golden Bell & Iron Shirt. Any Chi Kung training will be very benificial if you have Micro Cosmic & Macro Cosmic as foundation. It will prevent internal injury to your various organ.
I know this thread is old, but I just wanted to comment that we can train in Iron Shirt at the Chicago Shaolin Temple if we so choose. I’ve found it very interesting, as we use Ba Duan Jin and Yi Jin Jing to work on focusing our chi to particular spots, and then work at taking blows from fists, knees, sticks and even baseball bats. We also just built a handing beam that they will swing at us.
Its pretty remarkable. Whether or not its good for long term, I don’t know, but I don’t plan on doing it daily for years… I just want to learn it and get a little better at taking blows. In fact, I only started learning Kung Fu 4 months ago and I can already take fairly hard hits and will soon be breaking big sticks over my stomach or back.
All I can say is don’t really knock it until you try it. Sometimes it hurts (i.e. when me and a few students used 2x4s to hit each other), but when you are having a good night and your energy is right, it doesn’t hurt even for powerful hits. We also lay on the ground with boards across our stomachs and have other students stand on them, usually like 300 - 400 lbs.
I’d be happy to talk more about my experiences so feel free to ask.
I’ve taken some iron shirt and iron palm training when I was going to the Shaolin Do kwoon in San Marcos. We would condition our chest and abs with a makiwari board and toughen our forearms and shins by rolling a 30 l.b. iron bar over them. I haven’t done that training though in years. I definetely have to check out the Chicago Shaolin Temple sometime.
[QUOTE=wutangforever;825328]I know this thread is old, but I just wanted to comment that we can train in Iron Shirt at the Chicago Shaolin Temple if we so choose. I’ve found it very interesting, as we use Ba Duan Jin and Yi Jin Jing to work on focusing our chi to particular spots, and then work at taking blows from fists, knees, sticks and even baseball bats. We also just built a handing beam that they will swing at us.
Its pretty remarkable. Whether or not its good for long term, I don’t know, but I don’t plan on doing it daily for years… I just want to learn it and get a little better at taking blows. In fact, I only started learning Kung Fu 4 months ago and I can already take fairly hard hits and will soon be breaking big sticks over my stomach or back.
All I can say is don’t really knock it until you try it. Sometimes it hurts (i.e. when me and a few students used 2x4s to hit each other), but when you are having a good night and your energy is right, it doesn’t hurt even for powerful hits. We also lay on the ground with boards across our stomachs and have other students stand on them, usually like 300 - 400 lbs.
I’d be happy to talk more about my experiences so feel free to ask.
Ben[/QUOTE]
If you are from Chicago you must have seen Grandmaster John Tsai or his son Kenny do his sledgehammer, bricks, on a rusty nailbed thing at the the summer Chinatown festivals…;). I think my sifu even did it one year.
