Has anyone done this program?
Did you get the invulnerability in the small area of your torso they talk about? Did it expand to a bigger area over time?
Did you notice any other benefits that are traditionally attributed to internal sets like health or vitality or mood or anything like that?
I am talking specifically about the Iron Vest set as taught by Gene Chicoine of Green Dragon Studios.
GM Chicoine is NOT part of the Green Dragon studios.
Just to make it clear.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1225492]GM Chicoine is NOT part of the Green Dragon studios.
Just to make it clear.[/QUOTE]
Except that he is John R. Allen’s Sifu and it is Allen who runs the Green Dragon school.
Otherwise Chicoine is more known for his SC under GM Chang. Despite the Iron skills he got elsewhere.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1225495]Except that he is John R. Allen’s Sifu and it is Allen who runs the Green Dragon school.
Otherwise Chicoine is more known for his SC under GM Chang. Despite the Iron skills he got elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Now, does Allen recognize Chicoine as his sifu? or would he say they both learned it from Freeman Ong?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1225496]Yep.
Now, does Allen recognize Chicoine as his sifu? or would he say they both learned it from Freeman Ong?[/QUOTE]
I don’t really know as I don’t have much invested in their Kung Fu so much as I do my own. I was merely stating a fact in passing. 
[QUOTE=I Hate Ashida Kim;1225476]Has anyone done this program?
Did you get the invulnerability in the small area of your torso they talk about? Did it expand to a bigger area over time?
Did you notice any other benefits that are traditionally attributed to internal sets like health or vitality or mood or anything like that?
I am talking specifically about the Iron Vest set as taught by Gene Chicoine of Green Dragon Studios.[/QUOTE]
One of my shuai chiao classmates began the Body training about five months ago.
I noticed the hardness in his abs one day while grabbing him for a hip throw.
Seems to be working for him. But, then it’s an hour a day…every day. Which is why i haven’t trained it yet. Yet.
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Seems to be working for him. But, then it’s an hour a day…every day. Which is why i haven’t trained it yet. Yet.[/QUOTE]
protip: legit iron shirt doesnt take one hour
[QUOTE=bawang;1225534]protip: legit iron shirt doesnt take one hour[/QUOTE]
At 72 reps it does.
72 reps for the first year, 36 for the second.
I hate saying this, but in this case, I agree with Bawang. It doesn’t have to take very long, but the method you guys are discussing sounds like it does.
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;1225538]I hate saying this, but in this case, I agree with Bawang. It doesn’t have to take very long, but the method you guys are discussing sounds like it does.[/QUOTE]
Well, if 36 reps is good, then 72 reps ought to be better.
At any rate…anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that what my classmate is doing is generating results.
[QUOTE=bawang;1225534]protip: legit iron shirt doesnt take one hour[/QUOTE]
How much time per day did you devote to Body training?
I didn’t say that it didn’t work, just that it is not the standard that all iron body training should be measured by.
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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1225492]GM Chicoine is NOT part of the Green Dragon studios.
Just to make it clear.[/QUOTE]
I have the Green Dragon Iron Vest tape. Gene Chicoine is the person demonstrating it.
I’m not saying he is or isn’t part of Green Dragon Studios. I’m just saying he’s the one who does the form on the Green Dragon Iron Vest tape.
Maybe it was a guest lecture or something. I haven’t watched it in years and I’ve never done the set.
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;1225543]I didn’t say that it didn’t work, just that it is not the standard that all iron body training should be measured by.
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I’d agree with most of this.
I have (and have done) Wing Lam’s iron body program. It involves hitting yourself with either your arms/hands/feet and/or iron body bags. The actual hitting part only takes a minute or two. The rest of the time is made up of qigong type stuff (which may or may not have anything to do with the results) and self-massage dit da jow application (which almost assuredly does have something to do with the results).
Like I said, I haven’t seen the Green Dragon Iron Vest tape in years but I don’t remember any hitting on it. I seem to remember it just being some postures and movements that are supposed to make you invulnerable. IIRC it said after the first 100 days you will be invulnerable in a little area in the center of your body that will expand outward over time. IIRC it’s qi power that is protecting you because there is no emphasis on muscle contractions or actual body hardening the way there is in Wing Lam’s Iron Body program.
Now I want to go watch the Iron Vest tape again. This is what I remember from literally 8+ years ago when I saw it.
I can’t remember if there were any special rules for Green Dragon’s Iron Vest like no sex for 100 days or if you have to take a special pill or something. Actually, I think it did originally come with an herbal pill you’re supposed to take for the first 100 days (or am I thinking of their Iron Palm program?). I think someone else told me that that pill is just the equivalent of drinking a gallon of water per day anyway and it was just supposed to purify your body or something. I dunno, man.
[QUOTE=IronFist;1225550]I’d agree with most of this.
I have (and have done) Wing Lam’s iron body program. It involves hitting yourself with either your arms/hands/feet and/or iron body bags. The actual hitting part only takes a minute or two. The rest of the time is made up of qigong type stuff (which may or may not have anything to do with the results) and self-massage dit da jow application (which almost assuredly does have something to do with the results).
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this is the legit method
wing lams method is generic northern kung fu protocol
Marrow Washing could also be considered as Iron Body training.
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;1225558]Marrow Washing could also be considered as Iron Body training.[/QUOTE]
theres no such thing as marrow washing. do u mean muscle changing exercise
What style does green dragons iron vest come from and who did chicone learn from. This should say a lot. Sorry if I didn’t read this someplace else.
[QUOTE=bawang;1225562]theres no such thing as marrow washing. do u mean muscle changing exercise[/QUOTE]
I agree that Muscle Changing exercise could fall under that category as well. Are you really suggesting that Bone Marrow Washing doesn’t exist?
You might want to tell that to a lot of older Xing Yi guys, as well as Tu Jin-Sheng, Yang Jwing Ming, James McNeil and several others I could name.
Or are you saying that you know more than all of them on this topic?
Since I am from the same area as Chicoine and Allen maybe I can add a little something.
Feeman Ong was the original Chinese instructor to teach iron body in our area. Chicoine and Allen, as well as several others were his students. Later Chicoine studied with Chang Tung Sheng and Allen studied with others. For a short time Chicoine and Allen worked together.
The iron body taught by Feeman Ong was very intense. Many exercises along with qigong and body striking. One shifu under Ong trained the iron body for two hours per day every day. Was this necessary? I guess that can be debated, but I will say that I have never in over forty years of training met anyone tougher. Full contact punches and kicks to his torso simply bounced off of him.
As with anything, you get out of it what you put into it.