hilarious.
on my best day, I could never come up with hooey of such quality.
Iron Shirt QIGONG PART III
[QUOTE=Wong Ying Home;733793]As you openely admit yourself you have no formal traning or knoweldge of Iron shirt, or really internal martial arts for that matter…
If you are able to offer an objective point from physical and mental place of self knowledge and not simply quoting doctrine, then you have something of value to add to the discussion. If you don’t know what your talking about then how can you offer an objectiove piece of advice.
You Can’t ![/QUOTE]
First of all…why are you so angry?
Can we not be civil ? My posts and replies are not angry…and yet you seem seeething with hostility…WHY?
When did I say I had no training of Iron Shirt or Internal Arts ???
I have had formal training from the late Master Ong, Sifu Tony Yang, and Sifu Shenk. I have been involved in practice of Hung-Gar/Shaolin type Martial Arts since 1980
I have also researched and practiced on my own the things I was taught by my teachers.
My Iron Palm training reached the point of being able to break 2 Bricks with a open hand slap.
Here is a good artcile ( tho lengthy) on WHY you cannot discuss Internal Martial Arts without acknowledging the Eastern Mystical connection.
For those who cannot take the time to read the following article..I ask a simple question Why? I am willing to bet most of you have spent hours reading material on the Martial Arts. Just a question for you to consider.
[QUOTE=JDK;733714]You have described ONE method of Iron Shirt…purely physical.
This was addressed by another poster:
[b]Iron Vest/Shirt/Jacket training has two schools of material. Those that use external methods, hitting the body with sticks, wire hitters, socks full of beans, rocks and steel shot. Little or no qi gong is used in this method. Basically building up the tolerance to accept pain and abuse.[/b]
My warning is in regards to the Internal Method…the method involving body, soul and spirit.
It really not even about my christian beliefs…it is more a warning ( from the sites I posted) about the [u]possible[/u] dangers of delving into the unconcious mind and spirit world.
You ended by saying ,Chrisitianity, Kundalini, Yoga, Hindu, all of these are moot in point and fail to answer the question. Let’s stay on topic.
I believe we are very much on topic .
JDK
JD[/QUOTE]
Please just shut up. You sound like ****ing Hitler
Plese just shut up.
Jdk
My posts are far from seething or angry, I am not angry with you not in the slightest:) and certainly not hostile to you as a person
It is simply that you chose answer a question on iron shirt practice with a very length y cut and paste from another person writing, I think it woudl have had more value if you had condensed it, to your own words and had passed on you own experience of iron shirt chi gong.
With regard to a persons faith or beleif Gwok Si Gwok Faat Each to thier own, it is simply that at every opportunity you try very hard to interest us with your Christain point of view.
As a buddhist, I do not at every post and shout it to the world and say hey look at what thsi is…even if I believe it to be wonderfull and life enhancing, if I want to know about being a born again Christian I will certainly ask you for your knowledge and advice, however I would not like to have to read constant posting that forces it front of my face. Maybe that is why I object to your posts. I understand that you are passionate and feel you have found the chosen path and want others to have the opportunity but why not simply let us decide if we want your opinion on where religion fits in with Chinese martial arts 
Temper your sword and wield it gently
Iron Shirt QIGONG PART III
Again I am forced to ask…WHY SUCH HOSTILITY and disrespect AND lack of manners.??
I dont get it. Are you saying its alright to believe and practice anything you want except Christianity ???
Hitler ???
Your lack of control over your anger makes me sad that some of my former teachers and their Teachers were right…to develop Martial Skill without treating the person as a whole ( Body, Mind, Spirit) is doing them a disservice.
Personality changes and making the practioner a better person is the True way the Old Masters taught...and is why they didnt give out some of their most powerful teaching, formula’s and training to any student they didnt have at least a 5-10 year relationship with.
Self control, serenity, and treating every human being with dignity and respect is part of the true essence of the Martial Arts.
Hopefully you at least ponder this post and do some self inventory,
I wish you the best
JDK
Iron Shirt QIGONG PART III
[QUOTE=Wong Ying Home;734024]My posts are far from seething or angry, I am not angry with you not in the slightest:) and certainly not hostile to you as a person
It is simply that you chose answer a question on iron shirt practice with a very length y cut and paste from another person writing, I think it woudl have had more value if you had condensed it, to your own words and had passed on you own experience of iron shirt chi gong.
With regard to a persons faith or beleif Gwok Si Gwok Faat Each to thier own, it is simply that at every opportunity you try very hard to interest us with your Christain point of view.
As a buddhist, I do not at every post and shout it to the world and say hey look at what thsi is…even if I believe it to be wonderfull and life enhancing, if I want to know about being a born again Christian I will certainly ask you for your knowledge and advice, however I would not like to have to read constant posting that forces it front of my face. Maybe that is why I object to your posts. I understand that you are passionate and feel you have found the chosen path and want others to have the opportunity but why not simply let us decide if we want your opinion on where religion fits in with Chinese martial arts
Temper your sword and wield it gently[/QUOTE]
I suppose I misintepreted your response.
Please forgive me for jumping to conclusions. I guess I am a little gun shy..because very few replies to my post are not filled with insults, anger and disrespect.
The only reason I post belief in Jesus Christ..is because you cannot divorce True Internal Martial Arts from religions that are diametrically opposed to Christianity.
I will in the future true and show more respect for ALL beliefs on this website.
Peace
JDK
the last 6 posts had NOTHING to do with Iron Shirt training or qigong!!!
[QUOTE=K.Brazier;733855]Hi All,
On qigung I wrote the following
‘…you must push your qi to the back using both mind and muscle. The teacher strikes this area to make sure that the student does it correctly and to build the pressure of the qi. The actual posture aids the student in sending the qi to the correct location. You can discern this for yourself by mimicking the posture shown here with fully inflated lungs. With your mouth closed try to push air out of your kidney’s. When done correctly you will feel an inflating sensation there.’
From this article
http://plumflowermantisboxing.com/Articles/Luan.htm#Master%20Luan
Kevin[/QUOTE]
This is interesting, it reminds me of San Njie as it was instructed to me at my kwoon (back in Texas). You’re pretty much in a deep seated horse stance, both straightforward and also at a 45 degree angle, during the form. Throughout the form your taking 6-3-6 breaths and channeling the chi to your dan tien. While we practice the form our Sifu would “test” our posture by pushing, pulling and/or applying pressure. Anyway, when first learning San Njie I would feel drained and tired because I would exert too much external force to do the form, but with practice and focus on the dan tien, I would feel a warm sensation accumulate, and eventually push the chi back and forth my dan tien to my ming min and this would build up my chi some more. Now when I perform San Njie, I feel vitalized and full of energy. Yay qigong!!! 
Jdk
No worries,
You make an interesting point in that True internal martial arts cannot be seperated from Diametrically opposed religeous beleifs from Christianity.
How do you arrive at this conclusion
What are True Internal Martial arts
jdk
i saw hitler in your post, wasnt he a christian?
SL
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;734104]jdk
i saw hitler in your post, wasnt he a christian?
SL[/QUOTE]
Gott Mit Uns?
[QUOTE=Crushing Fist;734133]Gott Mit Uns?[/QUOTE]
lol
ich weiss nicht!
I think something needs to be done with JDK. Like we hold a yin-yang symbol to his skin and see if it burns or something.
LOL
[QUOTE=lunghushan;734166]I think something needs to be done with JDK. Like we hold a yin-yang symbol to his skin and see if it burns or something.
LOL[/QUOTE]
I can’t believe it but I’m going to agree with Lung…you’ve actually brought a smile to my face:D
Dale Dugas has the most knowledge so far on this thread…don’t know him personally, but know of his association with Dr. Painter…enough said.
BQ
Real Iron Body: http://www.hsing-i.com/pics/hammerdem.mpg
…and being a student of this man, I will go so far as to say I have not seen much in this thread by way of accurate information. I find this kind of strange, since this very website has an article about the subject, and a video for sale as well…
JDK - You said yourself that IMA cannot be divorced from certain “religious” (lol) tenets that are “opposed” to Christianity. According to your own beliefs, practicing any shape or part of an asian martial art, you are opposing the bible. Yet you still want to practice and associate with Asian martial arts, AND be faithful to your particular interpretation of the bible. This is a contradiction that cannot be resolved. It disqualifies your opinions regarding IMA- you can’t possibly know anything about what you don’t practice, or are afraid of practicing, for whatever reasons… If you have a shred of real patience, and tolerance, for views that are alternative to your own, I strongly suggest that you watch the following film on the origins of modern religion: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6410112404402873027
Really, watch the whole thing. I took the time to read the article you posted…
Man that video was crazy!!! :eek: Okay, that’s Iron Shirt. No arguing here.
[QUOTE=QuaiJohnCain;734197]Real Iron Body: http://www.hsing-i.com/pics/hammerdem.mpg
…and being a student of this man, I will go so far as to say I have not seen much in this thread by way of accurate information. I find this kind of strange, since this very website has an article about the subject, and a video for sale as well…[/QUOTE]
Shifu Patterson has a high hand. Great to see his vid again. Serious conditioning through serious training.
Thank you,
Dale Dugas
[QUOTE=QuaiJohnCain;734197]Real Iron Body: http://www.hsing-i.com/pics/hammerdem.mpg
…and being a student of this man, I will go so far as to say I have not seen much in this thread by way of accurate information. I find this kind of strange, since this very website has an article about the subject, and a video for sale as well…
I have to agree…it did get trolled very quickly though.
Much respect for Sifu Patterson, I have some of his training tapes.
The most accurate information I can give is yes it works & yes it can hurt you… do not try and learn this out of a book or video…find a real teacher with the proper methods & herbs to keep you from getting arthur at an early age.
Iron Shirt / Iron Bone is a wonderful thing if done properly.
I don’t know anything about Sifu Patterson’s training methods.
But I have to say that just given basic physics, that demo of using a big heavy object like a sledgehammer on somebody who is standing is complete and utter B.S.
Because the speed of the motion of the sledge is negligible. The impact that gets transferred by a sledge isn’t from the speed, it’s from the mass. So the impact of an object on the ground, for example, from the sledge gets transferred to the object or through the object.
But for something that’s able to be freely pushed, there isn’t any impact transferred because the mass of the thing that’s being pushed (in this case, Sifu Patterson) gets pushed backwards, no big deal.
To prove it to myself, I had a friend do it to me, hit me with a sledge like this demo while I was standing. No big deal – nothing.
Lunghushan-
Clearly, you failed physics in high school, big time.
Put your “test” on video. :rolleyes:
Better yet, let me swing the sledge.
you nooBs sure are transparent…
[QUOTE=QuaiJohnCain;734237]Lunghushan-
Clearly, you failed physics in high school, big time.
Put your “test” on video. :rolleyes:
Better yet, let me swing the sledge.
you nooBs sure are transparent…[/QUOTE]
Noobs … LOL
A friend and I were doing a lot of splitting of wood, and we were taking MA at the time, so we tried it out.
We also did a lot of experimentation with breaking boards. If you don’t succeed in breaking the board, the impact goes back into your hand or foot, not the board.
These so-called ‘demonstrations’ are just basic physics. Like when they put a fat guy on the floor and break concrete blocks on top of him. The impact of the sledge goes into breaking the concrete block and the fat absorbs the rest of the impact.
It would be far more impressive to take a skinny guy on the ground and use the sledge on his skull. I wonder why they don’t do that one? Perhaps because his head would be crushed.
Oh, and BTW, QuaiJohnCain, the reason I put ‘Noobs’ LOL is because we did that experimentation back in 1985-1987, about 20 years ago … an older contractor friend of my grandfather’s used to love saying ‘here, hit me in the stomach’ … so we experimented with it.
Honestly you can probably do this demo with the sledge yourself unless you never do any ab exercises. If you wanted to try it, have your friend swing it lightly at first while you’re tensing your abs and see what happens, and then have him do it harder.