Moderate/minor skin abrasions and bruises. Is it best to temporarily stop training until the injuries heal?
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Bruises are commonplace, that is what the jow is for (bruise wise) BUT cuts and abrasions you have to be careful as getting some types of Jow into your blood can be dangerous and typical IP Jow is the type that you do NOT want getting into your blood.
[QUOTE=Keith76;1279598]Moderate/minor skin abrasions and bruises. Is it best to temporarily stop training until the injuries heal?
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If you want something that works well for both bruises and abrasions, try good old Corn Husker’s Lotion. If you have internal bleeding, like large bruising, best give it a few days rest.
[QUOTE=Keith76;1279598]Moderate/minor skin abrasions and bruises. Is it best to temporarily stop training until the injuries heal?
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As stated, you don’t want dit da jow getting into cuts. It could cause problems.
For bruising, that is what the dit da is for. 
If in pain, take a rest. Review the material. there should not be pain in your training of IP
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[QUOTE=Keith76;1279598]Moderate/minor skin abrasions and bruises. Is it best to temporarily stop training until the injuries heal?
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Are the “abrasions” from iron palm breaking or bag training? Are the “abrasions” tears in the skin deep enough to bleed? Can you provide a picture? Do you use healing type herbs with training?
the fact that he sasking this question means hes learning iron palm from internet. u need to stop bro lol
smash the bag full force movie style till u get the shakes lol
Hi, new here. First post. If jow is potentially dangerous. Is it even needed for iron palm training?
I’ve read some say yes and some say now. I have James Sinclaires Wing Chun videos. And he said even brandy is usable. Something about jow is primarily used to dry the skin. Ive read others say it is for circulation. Ive read one guy say Absorbine is about the same as jow.
So, jow or no jow for Iron Palm training?
[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1280092]Hi, new here. First post. If jow is potentially dangerous. Is it even needed for iron palm training?
I’ve read some say yes and some say now. I have James Sinclaires Wing Chun videos. And he said even brandy is usable. Something about jow is primarily used to dry the skin. Ive read others say it is for circulation. Ive read one guy say Absorbine is about the same as jow.
So, jow or no jow for Iron Palm training?[/QUOTE]
What do you think?
Jow is crucial and not just ANY Jow but jow designed for iron Palm training.
I have experimented with and without Jow and, even though this is anecdotal of course, the difference were quite noticeable:
With IP JOW:
Healing / recovery was faster
Deformation/swelling was not noticeable
Sensitivity was not compromised
Circulation increased.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1280174]Jow is crucial and not just ANY Jow but jow designed for iron Palm training.
I have experimented with and without Jow and, even though this is anecdotal of course, the difference were quite noticeable:
With IP JOW:
Healing / recovery was faster
Deformation/swelling was not noticeable
Sensitivity was not compromised
Circulation increased.[/QUOTE]
Crucial may be a bit more strong of a word than I’d use. But beneficial, yes. Highly recommended, yes.
Physiologically, the effects on the body aren’t unique to IP training, its just more focusing on that result. How were you parameterizing your results? Maybe a couple more here could attempt to reproduce it if interested. If I can convince about 10 of you then I’ll run some stats in a couple years and see if I can’t work a publication. I’ll give yall co-authorship, of course 
[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1280092]If jow is potentially dangerous. Is it even needed for iron palm training?
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Martial arts practice is potentially dangerous. If you want to train, you will exposure yourself to some level of danger. Take precautions.
You can get Grandmaster Tao’s 12 Herb Soak (used for Iron training) here.
[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1280092]Hi, new here. First post. If jow is potentially dangerous. Is it even needed for iron palm training?
I’ve read some say yes and some say now. I have James Sinclaires Wing Chun videos. And he said even brandy is usable. Something about jow is primarily used to dry the skin. Ive read others say it is for circulation. Ive read one guy say Absorbine is about the same as jow.
So, jow or no jow for Iron Palm training?[/QUOTE]
I didn’t use it for decades. Then began using it and have used it for about ten years. I really don’t see any difference based on my experience.
Thank you very much fellows. Appreciated. Thanks for the links.
[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1280177]Crucial may be a bit more strong of a word than I’d use. But beneficial, yes. Highly recommended, yes.
Physiologically, the effects on the body aren’t unique to IP training, its just more focusing on that result. How were you parameterizing your results? Maybe a couple more here could attempt to reproduce it if interested. If I can convince about 10 of you then I’ll run some stats in a couple years and see if I can’t work a publication. I’ll give yall co-authorship, of course :D[/QUOTE]
I used crucial because, well, without it your progress will be hampered. It will go slower and you could damage your hands.
With Jow I never had to take any time off because of bruising or pain.
With Jow my hands don’t look banged up and whatnot.
Its not that you can’t do IP without it, you most certainly can BUT your progress will be slower and you will lose time due to bruising and your hands will be more “marked”.
Now, I had done old school karate conditioning for years before I started IP and my hands showed it BUT after a couple of years of IP and using the jow, my hands became far better.
Sure there are some tell tale signs still but nothing like it was before.
I have noticed that the people that use the same type of Jow that I use, their hands are also pretty good (Chicoine’s students come to mind), we don’t have the “swollen” or “deformed” look that some IP people have.
I believe that has to do with the Jow.
Sanjuro, do you follow Chicoines IP methods? If so, did you train with him, or one of his students? Or , through his IP video?
[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1280261]Sanjuro, do you follow Chicoines IP methods? If so, did you train with him, or one of his students? Or , through his IP video?[/QUOTE]
One of his students.
The biggest caution for training ANYTHING from video is to make sure that it is used to SUPPLEMENT being taught and not REPLACE actual instruction.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1280268]One of his students.
The biggest caution for training ANYTHING from video is to make sure that it is used to SUPPLEMENT being taught and not REPLACE actual instruction.[/QUOTE]
Nice. Do you own his IP video as well? Or any of the other Green Dragon Studio videos? Or do you focus more so on shuai chiao?
[QUOTE=boxerbilly;1280284]Nice. Do you own his IP video as well? Or any of the other Green Dragon Studio videos? Or do you focus more so on shuai chiao?[/QUOTE]
I own a few different IP videos for information purposes since I have a vast collection of videos and books about MA.
You need to remember that IP training ( any specialty gung for that fact) should be viewed as the “icing” on the cake, a finishing touch and NOT be done until a certain “mastery” of the basic is ingrained.
It can actually hinder the progress of a student id not done at the right time.
My main back ground is boxing. Kind of hard to train myself out of it and I don’t think I would want to anyway. So, at least in that respect, I do have solid grounding in understanding technique and application. I don’t see any reasons why one could not include IP with that background. Swapping put open hand for fist if one wanted to.
I also have trained in TKD, Isshin Ryu and Shaolin Kempo. Highest belt level would be green. Then stuff learned with training buddies of different style. Judo and Chito Ryu and American Kenpo. Lived on both the East and West coast in my 20’s.