[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1094181]
I don’t think that you have any idea what you are talking about in this context.
Ho Kam ming finished with bot jam do training with Ip Man- the hallmark of close training with Ip man.
Sanjuro you have opened a strange can.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
That’s funny as HKM never got the wooden dummy from YM.
Then again maybe YM thought he didn’t need it.
[QUOTE=GlennR;1094180]I would think TST would be his earliest prominent student alive today[/QUOTE]
Yes- most likely. I think that Lok Yiu is probably still alive.(?)William Cheung is also alive.William Cheung moved to Australia and lived there till not too long ago..when he came to the US. Phil would know more.
BL learned mostly from WSL.David petersen would know much about WSL.
There are others with some brief time with Ip Man who are alive from the 50 to 62 period -the most active period of Ip man’s teaching.The list of first generation Ip Man HK students is fast fading. HKM is in his late eighties.
It’s a land mine- who trained how much when and for how long.
Best to concentrate on building on the inheritance than raking the dried history leaves.
joy chaudhuri
sounds like outsiders want to usurp his sons positions
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1094191]Yes- most likely. I think that Lok Yiu is probably still alive.(?)William Cheung is also alive.William Cheung moved to Australia and lived there till not too long ago..when he came to the US. Phil would know more.
BL learned mostly from WSL.David petersen would know much about WSL.
There are others with some brief time with Ip Man who are alive from the 50 to 62 period -the most active period of Ip man’s teaching.The list of first generation Ip Man HK students is fast fading. HKM is in his late eighties.
It’s a land mine- who trained how much when and for how long.
Best to concentrate on building on the inheritance than raking the dried history leaves.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Actually Lok Yiu passed on some years ago i believe.
Over here in Oz we have a couple of YM students but not near the prominence of the guys above.
TST has just turned 80 i also
GlennR
[QUOTE=Eric_H;1094185]That’s funny as HKM never got the wooden dummy from YM.
Funny? I don’t think so. And- erroneous too. Koo Sang-Ip man’s dummy maker was a contemporary
of Ho Kam Ming.
joy chaudhuri
Adding to what Joy said, why would Sifu Ho want Yip Man’s dummy? He already had his in Macao, and it was no different from the one Yip Man had. And I don’t know where you heard about Sifu Ho having a fall-out with Yip Man. That could not have been further from the truth. On the contrary, Sifu Ho and Yip Man had a very close relationship and he was with Yip Manall the way till he died. While Yip Man was incapacitated during his final days, Sifu Ho’s students led by Lui Ming Fai along with some from WSL’s school help to take care of Yip Man’s students in his absence. Sifu Ho’s relationship with Yip Man was like father/son, and he was very sad when Yip Man passed away.
[QUOTE=Eric_H;1094185]That’s funny as HKM never got the wooden dummy from YM.
Then again maybe YM thought he didn’t need it.[/QUOTE]
Do you mean YM’s dummy or the form? 
To add to NTC’s statement. Ho Kam Ming visited with Ip Man the day that IM died-quite an emotional conversation. Then HKM went back to macao . Soon afterwards Ip Ching called HKM to inform him that Ip Man had passed away.
Those are sad events.
There are facts and then jockeying about facts and attention seeking and drama. The latter things also took place after IM’s death.
joy chaudhuri
In the interest of correct history only.
TST is the longest serving Yip Man student still alive having started with Yip in 1951. He also lived with Yip Man longer than anyone else.
Eric you may be thinking of Leung Sheung . It is he and to a lesser extent Lok Yui that had a big fall out with Yip Man among Yip’s better known students at any rate.
While he was alive Yip Bo Ching was considered Yips closest protege. He died in his mid 30’s a few years before Yip Man died. Even Yip Ching will tell stories about YBC being Yips Man’s closest student.
What I have read here and there …
The most mentioned early generation of HK students are: Leung Seung, Lok Yiu, WSL and TST.
We’ve already heard about HKM. Another name is Jiu Wan - apparently YM would visit his school every day for a chat.
Definitely… Jiu Wan was another Yip Man student who did train quite a bit under him. My brother-in-law is a Jiu Wan student and he tells me some good stories back of those days.
Chow Jee Chuen is another of Yip Man’s long time students who was also highly regarded by his kung fu brothers.
Donald Mak is one of Chow Tze Chuen’s top students and teaches in HK.
joy chaudhuri
I had meant the dummy form, not the actual dummy itself that GM Yip practiced on.
Most everything I’ve seen on Augustine Fong is that he had to put together his own dummy form because his Sifu didn’t have one to teach him. Whatever you think of his form is your own personal opinion, but it begs the question as to why it was left out.
Either Augustine Fong didn’t get it from Ho Kam Ming or Ho Kam Ming didn’t have it to give. Just trying to figure out which it was.
Not sure what you mean or where you got your information. I can attest that the dummy form that I learn from Sifu Ho is pretty much the same as the form that Augustine practices. There is a section or so that appears to be perhaps something that he added on his own, but then again nothing really wrong with that. I know that Sifu Ho learned his dummy form from Yip Man because over time I can recall him telling us stories of how it was taught to him by Yip Man, and how expensive it ended up costing him to learn the form.
NTC has it correct.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=ntc;1094253] I can recall him telling us stories of how it was taught to him by Yip Man, and how expensive it ended up costing him to learn the form.[/QUOTE]
IP Man probably didn’t like him then!! 
GH
Great discussion as long as everyone is mature.
Students of their sifu will have one side of the story and those who have been around a long time should be wise to the kung fu world and people in general.
You will find many students who took privates or kept quiet who are very good. A teacher will always have a wide range of students as far as ability and understanding goes.
Length of time at a teachers side does not equal skill and neither does blood relation. Each person has to stand on their own two feet.
Also doing the form in the same way ip man did does not mena much. People change things as they feel fit and if you have been around long enough I am sure you ahve experienced changes in your teachers teaching methods or focus on tehcnique.
I have repsect fro all my seniors but to be honest, i don’t want to be like most of them. That being said, what is publicly displayed by teachers is only the tip of the iceberg and getting the real knowledge off a teacher takes hours of quesitoning and study. The forms are just the outer shell.
Maybe Ho Kam Ming changed his dummy form! most of ip man’s students made changes due to experiences and understanding.
Paul
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from what I have been told of people that continued training
In fut san his two main guys were gwok fu being senior and lun gai.
leung sheung was first in hong kong. Lok yiu and leung sheung were the first to learn the weapons with each being taught one, most people assume this was due to him being old by this point so wanted to make sure he had two that knew the last parts well. wsl started but I cant remember if TST had started already.
Heard some stories of yip bo ching but dont really know much.
I know TST is classed as the “gate keeper” of the Yip man style in hong kong. From stories Lok yiu and WSL had too bad reputations to be the offical heir or grand master. I have got this story from many different lineages but Its only what people tell you.
Hence all the problems when people started to claim to be the grandmaster in the the nineties etc.
I was told yip chun learnt most of his VT from leung ting.
Yip ching deffinatley learnt to biu jee with yip but I have no info as to how far he got.
Yip man would only teach his sons when they had proven they would train properly with stories of both of them being sent to yips students to learn first.
[QUOTE=CFT;1094216]What I have read here and there …
The most mentioned early generation of HK students are: Leung Seung, Lok Yiu, WSL and TST.
We’ve already heard about HKM. Another name is Jiu Wan - apparently YM would visit his school every day for a chat.[/QUOTE]
I think bringing up stories about fall-outs and diagreements will forever draw us further away from eachother. That is family business that has either already been dealt with or totally non-existent and caused by silly rumours 
Also, I still find it so interesting that NOBODY ever mentions Lee Shing (maybe because you all know I will!!) and he was very close to Ip Man, Jiu Wan, Lok Yiu AND Ho Kam Ming.
It would be interesting to learn more from the elder generaion that is still alive, but I don’t know if they’re all that accessible.